fisa i am not at liberty to discuss that but i am making this call. [laughter] he said i would get back to then two hours later he said okay. if it is you that i'm happy to come back. we had a wonderful relationship. the 5:00 meeting we're making decisions. i was director but as a friend. that we were in the room after particular energy decision of liberty and ellis left their room and steve was there i am looking at him he looks at me and says he thinks he's to boys and never make these kinds of decisions? [laughter] >> we were at the same offer for a time and we tried cases together and negotiated settlements occasionally and guess who got to be the good cop? [laughter] he is a wonderful good copper co. >> you had something happen when you first went to the agency. >> when i first went to nsa. >> it was obviously a bracing experience in was looming in your mind what concerns about the future of electronic infrastructure do you think are salient and what do we need to do? >> coming first chronologically? it is the first chapter of the book because it

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this is a really important case, one that the fbi could have addressed in the fisa court under seal very it's not the the reason it's not is the fbi is asking the court to give it fairly unprecedented authorities to conpep a company not just to cooperate with a warrant but to create an operating system with weaknesses. that is a very big deal, you know, at some leave, i thought, you know, gosh, the fbi at to help, but -- sorry, apple ought to help, but this is a fairly unprecedent unprecedented request, with all sorts of implications, for who else might get this version of ios that apple is being asked to contrary. >> let's say it was sandy hook, and it wasn't clear whether the shooter had a terrorist motive or notened, would you support breaking into that cell phone to try to find out? >> there's no question that there's an overwhelming interest of getting into the cell phone. that's not at issue. in fact if this was a her or e-mail, we wouldn't be having this conversation. at issue is not whether we want to get in. of course we do. the question is, how do we feel about the government b

fisa and is separate university said he go as a is a police cruiser drives by. he hid some in the eye with a flashlight to say who are you in where you hear? he said i am a student there brown doing an assignment he said it is only 730 park closes at 930 per puts his he and up then they tap the girlfriend and their walkout. the other story is the flint michigan. a community devastated by industrialization. in dealing with the fact they are babies because of bad water or lead. the upgrade to pipes. for these people that live in that community. with the social networks in the united states. talk about the context because i read the book. but what is the takeaway want "the reader" of the book? >> first we're at the present this. -- at the present is with these new or coming-of-age with the black president or trying to figure that out. over the last two or three decades. so to write a book to fundamentally we imagine the politics. we are in territory we have never seen before. into. [inaudible] black suffering so it is dealing with of paradox and the fact the babies

administration congress passes the military commissions act, passes with senator obama's vote the fisaendment act between no doubt intelligence court was issuing secret rulings which divisional level programs that were collecting everyone's phone records and e-mail records and routed them in a somewhat seditious claim that the patriot act authorized them in closed court oversight. by the time obama becomes president, if you think the problem that acting like bush and by letting the rule of law, the problem is largely fixed. if you think the problem is acting like bush is violating civil liberties, the problem is not fixed because who cares if congress is blessing these things. part two of the analysis is barack obama is a lawyer, obviously. joe biden is a lawyer. bush and cheney are not lawyers. they are ceos by background. they had few lawyers who surrounded him. they were perhaps the least lawyerly administration of the. the few lawyers they let into the room had a series of executive power. we've gone from that extreme to the opposite. this is probably the most lawyerly administrati

this is an unlawful interpretation of fisa. it was never the intent of congress that section 702 would be used to create databases of information that would later be searched for information on american citizens without a search warrant and without that individual's knowledge. i have introduced legislation that would prohibit warrantless searches of government databases for information that pertains to u.s. citizens. the n.s.a. has and will continue to violate the constitutional protections guaranteed to every american unless congress acts. until we fix this and make the law clear, citizens will never be sure or safe that their private conversations are secure from the eyes and spies of government. the bill of rights cannot be trampled upon in the name of national security, whether the n.s.a. likes it or not. and that's just the way it is. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> m

enough the when you get into the debate he say the most important question is what said judges on the fisacourt you could kill the party stone dead. but what struck me with wikileaks in the state department official in the room that i would say any way is there is one that said if he ever went to the the state department with justin of brilliant piece of writing. there is some very talented in the state department. may be to say those diplomats but with the little bit of tweeting there is the massive problem with classification. to be so boring maybe he wants to read it. so this is the serious point because they believe america stands for. wherein it is quite severe. and nobody really thought about that. they didn't really think about it. and i apologize to the the collaborators i can't understand the justification >> the time is up. thanks for your questions. >> good job. >> the good news is that if you have outsiders or pancreatic cancer. not much can be done. but for the vast majority having enough to make a huge difference. this is the only way to get the attention. with some individua

fisa i am not at liberty to discuss that but i am the one making this call. [laughter] he said i will get back to you. about two hours later after he talked to his wife he said okay if you are number one i will be happy to come back and we had a wonderful relationship. >> with the 5:00 meeting you are making decisions. very often i gain in point i would simply say are you all right with that? and then there is another time with the particularly edgy covert action. we're looking for at each other. directing to boys would never be making a negative decision from pennsylvania? [laughter] >> host: we worked at the same law firm for a time in practice together and reduce settlements together in when we were negotiating guess who got to be the good cop? [laughter] he is a wonderful good copper co but we had something happen when you first went to the agency, it to nsa. it was obviously a bracing experience what concerns about the future and with that side of the government in particular to you think are salient? >> it doesn't come first chronologically with the tim

>> well, i think it is very important, and i think from our experiences with fisa, that is wiretaps of individuals related to terrorism in the bush administration, we did see we could cooperate with the congress and come up with legislature that protects privacy while also giving government and law enforcement an ability, a targeted ability to go after specific terrorist figures and terrorist activities if there is clear and present danger. but this has to be very, very narrowly defined, or otherwise law enforcement will have a field day running around, tapping into everybody's iphones and other devices. there's no doubt that that will be the danger. >> so, mr. ambassador, do you not then take james comey, the fbi director at his word. he wrote today this is not about setting a precedent. there is no deeper message in this. it is just the fbi carrying out its responsibilities and its duties to investigate u.s. terrorism. >> if i were the fbi director, i would be doing just what he's doing. but tim cook, the apple ceo, is right. once this is done, the technology is out there, and the mi

say the community is but about $75,000 dealing with that water crisis most of the money was spent on fisa last month theh community is been dealing with high-level clouds in the water. two workers have been fired and one demoted for how they handled the water fox eight news is keeping tabs on developing stories all morning long. we checkg in with the crowd with a look. >> talking about the hacker group anonymousus with things going on people have been talking to them at that isn coming after the death of the man shot and killed byil cincinnati police last week's last week officers fired nines shots they say he refused to getse on the ground and reach for a weapon that turned out to be a can't they mention to be a rise in the video the activist group then released data on more than 50 cincinnati police officersfi including the chief of police. i was just told they have hadha something removed does it mean it's gone because it's been seen by many so now it is out there but the question is what do they do with the datao and where they planning anymore attacks? >> coming up it is nine minutes

i'll address briefly section 702 fisa which expires if i'm not mistaken at the end of next year. 702 authorizes the government to target non u.s. persons reasonably believed to be outside the u.s. for purposes of acquiring foreign intelligence information. i believe section 702 is a vital national security tool. it's constitutional as multiple layers of oversight. 2012 dni clapper wrote to congress requesting authorization of title 7, which would include 702. do you believe that congress should pass s straight reauthorization of 702? >> i believe we need to continue 702. >> thank you. i converted a long series of d adversarial questions into a speech and then asked if you agreed with my speech. >> i will follow up the line of questioning just to say this. that the committee will take up 702 very quickly not to the standpoint of the legislation, but the preparation we need to do in educating in having admiral rogers and others bring us up to speed on the usefulness and any tweaks that might have to be made, but i dare say this is something that i think director clapper has said before

by thei'm fisa and aided mind. why we do what we do. -- fascinated by the mind.e do what we do. why do people, what are their motivations? what makes them tick? what is inside the human mind? how much ie realize wanted to go deeper into that was the science theories and the brain theories. charlie: did you always want to be a writer and learn something about psychology? maria: that's exactly right. i think that writing and psychology have so much in common because to write well you have to understand human motivation. you have to understand people. that's the only way you can craft characters that make sense. and so that was a very natural fit. who are not only people able to engage, a lot of people do that to are not out in pursuit of power. lyndon johnson was a master at understanding what made people strengthshat their were and also weaknesses. understanding how to play to both. maria: yes. if you give me $20,000, i will double it within the next two months. he gave him that proposition and capone said, do it. no one messes with al capone. you will be alive fo

we have a special court part of the fisa court which is what we use for international spying.kind of court that is closed session so they can go in there and have honest discussions but there's some kind of a process because it's ridiculous to fight this out in the street. the example guy back to every single time, and i'm sorry if hey been using this, if we had one of the al qaeda master mines, their cell phone the night before september 10, 2001, don'tow think we should have >> but who wins this case? here's the judge. >> i expect apple to prevail. i expect that the courts will say, first of all, there's an anti-hacking statute and a federal judge cannot order apple fbi hack into this device. it would violate a federal law. so first congress would have to change the law, and then there are constitutional i can mix -- implications. basically the fbi is saying to apple, you will, on your own time and your own expense, create software exclusively for us. guess what? you can't do that. we have a constitutional amendment that prohibits the government from forcing people to work f

that is why we have fisa courts and things of that nay chu, and so absolutely i would expect apple to comply with the court order. if they do not comply with that, you are encouraging chaos in our system. >> i wanted to weigh in on this, please. i wanted to tell you that the problem is not right now between the administration and apple, and you know what the problem is, where has be the president been? you sit down in the back room and you sit down with the parties and work it out. you don't litigate this on the front page of the new york times where everybody in the the world is reading about the dirty laundry out here. the president of the the united states should be convening a meeting and should have convened a meetlinging with apple and the security forces and you know what you do when you are the president, you lock the door and you say, that you not coming out until you reach the agreement that the both gives the security people what they need and prote protects the rights of americans. this is the failure of his leadership to get this done as an executive should be doing it, a

rosanna: how about the fisa -- bicyclists that are going through. greg: take advantage of today. >> spring training underway. luckily, duke is there in tampa right now. >> good morning. we are a life here in tampa. the yankees. what they are up to. for now, let's take a short we offered women a mystery beauty treatment. what made their skin more radiant? what?! wait! only dove has 1/4 moisturizing cream. smooth dewy skin. dove, your daily beauty treatment for radiant skin. brandon thinks hellmann's is heaven in a jar. that's because our ingredients come from... farmers committed to responsibly sourced oils... blended with ingredients like cage-free eggs. mmm. heaven. real ingredients. that's how we're working to >> the reservoir. >> that is right. apartment. 1.6 miles. her little loop there. i do not think that anyone is supposed to ride their bikes. you have to take the outer loop. not the inner loop. it is very pleasing. you kind of lose yourself. greg: donald trump kind of contributed. rosanna: i remember when the city could not get their act tog

collection of telephone communications meta data and the new law now requires specific queries with fisart approval to individual telecommunication companies. has this change affected your ability to discover new threats and relationships? so i'll save the rest of my comments for questions but, gentlemen, thank you very much for being here. we look forward to the discussion. >> thank you, vice chairman. before i recognize director clapper, let me say to members it's my intent and hopefully it's conveyed the all members you will be recognized for five minutes in the order that you appeared. and with one exception. if there is no objection, when director clapper's testimony is over, i would like to recognize senator langford for first set of questions for the simple reason that on tuesdays he has to preside over the senate and he has to preside at 3:20 today -- >> no problem. >> jim, you will be -- james, you will be recognized w. that, the floor is yours, director clapper. >> chairman burr, vice chairman feinstein, members of the committee, first, chairman burr, thanks very much for the a

obviously, we've got the fisa courts, no one is advocating that any of this information be transferredithout a proper warrant. so we're respecting the fourth amendment. in reality there's more information i need what is technically involved with the encryption on the phone as well as from the fbi standpoint, on a county-owned phone why was there a problem getting into it. stuart: and are you hearing a lot from your constituents on this? this has fired up the media. has it fired up your electorate? are you getting feedback? >> we are, and i will just tell you that, stuart, anytime that congress touches the internet, things get a little heated. stuart: yes, they do. [laughter] >> the other thing that i've learned in congress, if you fight the internet, the internet always wins. stuart: congressman, we hear you and we thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. stuart: in case you missed it, former president of mexico vicente fox dropped the f-bomb again while talking to maria, you better watch this. >> i have to say we're not, i am not going to pay for that (ble

warrant that you went to court to get, it was really no different of a process of what you do for a fisa or any other warrant that you would want to get to check on some evidence. i mean, you were just trying to get where you could get into the phone, not do anything else, is that correct? >> that's correct. as in thousands of other criminal investigations across the country if we want to search -- >> yeah. >> -- go to a federal judge, make a showing of probable cause to believe there is evidence relevant to the investigation on the device and get a search warrant from the court for the device. and then what happened here is then, because the device was unable to be opened, the judge issued a separate order under this thing called the all writs act to try and give effect to the court's search warrant that told the manufacturer you must assist in disabling this awe doe-erase -- auto-erase function to execute the search warrant. >> for me, just from a common man, i would think it's different if you've got two people that have killed 14 other folks in a terrorist attack and you're just tryi

electricity -- >> so bomb those, outline, the transmission lines right outside, inside or outside of fisa controlled territory. >> something we've looked at and we'll look at it again spirit you have looked at it but she will not tell us why you are not doing it. why does the iraqi government provide electricity to mosul for free? is a consistent with the approach we took in world war ii when we were serious? >> probably different but nobody is more and isil and the guys i know in the iraqi government. there is a debate between local leaders and the government about we do want to try the population in defense of isil in some of these areas. the each of electricity to malls is something that i can give you a very specific and detailed answer on speed and i look forward. finally we had a zero civilian casualties approach to our strategic bombing. so we were not getting the tanker trucks. again if we had a deal civilian casual approach -- >> mr. sherman from your overtime so finish your question spent in world war ii we hit trains and trucks and factories. are we hitting isis economic target

fisa, and this is the notion that the nicest company that operates within the united states of americand seeks the protection of u.s. laws has as a matter of civic obligation a duty to comply with laws and kithose -- occasionally include the provision of services and technical assistance services to law enforcement. jacob from washington, a supporter of apple's position. caller: i had a question of how you talked about john at death maccabees offer to do this for free. he is definitely in favor of no backdoor needed. he definitely said any hacker could do this, not any hacker but someone with skills like him could do this and he offered to do it for free with the fbi and had no reply for three weeks. i would like to get your thought on that. he also offered to eat a shoe on live television and he was not able to a compost that task. i certainly look forward to seeing that. look, i think this gets to the question of whether or not the government should be required to reach out to third parties. is an interesting question, one the court needs to grapple with, though it is relatively well

unfortunately what i have learned and what i hope history is useful for us to understand is these fisaing on for 200 years. -- these fights having going on for 200 years. we are making it so the promise of our democracy israel for everybody. believed you should have to be a property owner to vote. a white male property owner. somebody wrote and said shouldn't we expand this? he said no. the next thing you know women of 18ant to vote, lads will want to vote, people without a farthing to their name think they will have a say in government. he said it will be no end of it and he was right. it was always a struggle to keep our democracy. host: those modern-day struggles is something michael waldman writes about in his new vote -- book. he's also author of "the second amendment." speechwriteror and for president bill clinton in 1995 through 1999. assistant to the president and special assistant to president clinton for policy coordination during that administration. now he is the president of the brennan center for justice. mike from georgia? this is the most convoluted argument i've ever h