it seem not to recognize what a fisa application -- a fisa application is a warrant, just like a search warrant.ti in order to get a fisa search warrant, you need an affidavit signed by a careerwa federal law enforcement officer who swears that the information is true and correct to the best of his knowledge and belief. and that is the way that we operate.ed if it is wrong, sometimes it is, if you find out that there is anything incorrect, that person is going to face consequences. >> sean: oh, face consequences, much more coming up on this story. we are joined by the executive vice president, investigative reporter of "the hill," john solomon. i want you to add context and texture, especially in light of rod rosenstein's remark. if i remember correctly, didn't he sign the four fisa application, the third renewal application? >> he did, by my reporting last night and the reporting that i did today, it is clear to me that at the moment rod rosenstein signed the fourth fisa warrant, the fbi was acutely aware of the credibility issues with christopher steele. and specifically the key claim

was any of the information presented to the fisa court verified? was the clinton dirty russian dossier still the bulk of information in that fourth fisa application? were you aware that much of the application was based on steele's unverified dossier and when were you aware of it? did you ever discuss with rod rosenstein the prospects of his recusal from the case? wasn't rod a witness in the same case that he was supervising? why didn't you demand his recusal? did the special counsel team ever interview rosenstein as a witness? what did he tell you about the president's reasons for firing comey or his suggestions thatel the president fire comey? when you met with president trump on may 16, 2017, why didn't you tell him you were considering, the next day, turns out, taking the position of special counsel to investigate him? why did your report edit ouand misrepresent a telephone message left by trump attorney dowd with michael flynn's lawyer, robert kellner? isn't it true that the old office of legal counsel opinion did not prevent you from renderin

no dossier, no fisa warrant. and comey and company were so desperate to find that backdoor into the trump campaign, yes, mr. comey, to spy -- that they used phony, what we now know to be unverifiable campaign clinton bought and paid for op research full of russian lies.ul that was to obtain a warrant to spy on an american citizen and an entire presidential campaign. and according to "the new york times," investigators working for the ig's probe into fisa abuse, they asked christopher steele, "whether the bureau was overly reliant on the russian expertise of outsiders like himself." and steele told them that he believed the fbi was probably underequipped to judge the inherently murky intelligence that he was relaying. i don't believe that is true, either. t "the times" says that one of his sources added his own interpretation to his own sources that he passed on to christopher steele, calling into question the reliability of all this information. by the way, they were all warned about it before he signed it in 201

the fisa warrants were right on him.hat book, that's going to be a number one best seller, called radicals resistant and revenge. the host of the number one show here saturday nights on the fox news channel, judge jeannine pirro. also, fox news correspondent at large geraldo rivera, tammy bruce, criminal defense attorney david shown, carey picket, and the american conservative union's matt schlapp, the chair. good to see you all. you are the person i'm starting with. you were the one they used when they got, when they used the dirty dossier, as what we are now told according to the grassley graham memo, the bulk of the fisa application, it was to spy on you, cart irrelevant page, to have a backdoor into all things the trump campaign. >> i think the latter is what they were interested in. no reason to spy on me. but they really wanted an excuse to get to -- >> sean: you worked with us for years. >> absolutely. >> sean: when you would go abroad as a good american you offer any information you had, correct? >> absolutely. >

fisa application verified and true.laimed it was true and accurate. brennan, klapper come up relating the dossiers lies to the government, leaks to the media, leaks to harry reid, just in case the load some donald trump should lose 100 million to zero ever become president. very serious congresswoman liz cheney really said something, that this could be treason on their part. let's listen to what she said. >> strozk and page who were in charge of launching this investigation and saying things like we must stop this president, we need an insurance policy against this president, when you have people that are in the highest echelons of law enforcement in this nation saying things like that, that sounds an awful lot like a coup. it could very well be treason. we need to know more. we need to know what jim comey's role in all of this. andy mccabe reported to him, what was comey's role in that? >> sean: is not inevitable. not a matter of if, but when, we'll know when this extreme, these high-ranking bureaucrats, what they did

horwitz is looking at the fisa process after that. john durham is looking at the investigation prior to that, ani am hoping that those two investigations together would shed a lot of light. so america, they can know what can happen, because it has been a divisive two years. >> jason: congressman ratcliffe, you have been a u.s. attorney, you and trey gowdy have reviewed the fisa reports, it says verified at the top. and i guess to me if you want to debate what verified means, but you have looked at the unredacted reports. comey has said he has done everything right, and you said it was not done wrong, but that it was done deceptively, poorly, and may be exculpatory information was left out. it is horwitz going to be the definitive word? what is his role in the process? >> i think that he will be one of the more important voices. in a lot of folks are looking forward to bob mueller's testimony on july 17, coming up, but bob mueller will talk about collusion that did not exist. and what to the attorney general found did not exist. you ca

conveniently ignoring anything about his fisa abuse.at is unverifiable, his signature on the fisa applications and dirty dossier. so i have my own questions for jim comey. he says that he is willing to testify. i'm willing to listen. for example, what did the espionage act, mr. coming, 793 say? what part of that did hillary clinton not violate? we would like you had to explain the detail. why was the language changed in the may exoneration that was being written for hillary clinton ahead of her interrogation from gross negligence, the legal term to extreme carelessness. why was clinton allowed to have other people in the room when the fbi and your agents got around to questioning her late in the game july 2nd, you exonerated her three days early and exonerated her three days later. why were aides like cheryl mills offered immunity? why was destroying subpoenaed emails removing sim cards, busting up blackberries, using bleach bit to totally eliminate any possibility of recovering emails on a server, tell me how with an underlying crime o

according to reports, the horowitz investigation into fisa abuse is nearly done.hat was until the 11th hour, christopher steele finally agreed to be interviewed. the former mi6 agent, authorho f hillary's dirty dossier, grilled for nearly 16 hours over the course of two days in great britain. there's some speculation that g steele was worried that high-ranking u.s. officials were ready to throw him under the bus. and steele probably wanted to set the record straight about how his dirty russian dossier,d that clinton paid for, was created and utilized in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election. this is likely very bad news for people, names you know well. jim comey, andrew mccabe, strzok, paige, and baker, and so many others, people using steele's unverified, and frankly unverifiable, russian garbage to then spy on an opposition party candidate, donald trump, his campaign. then it became the trump transition team.um and even the trump presidency. the whole fisa warrant that was anything but verified and accurate, we now know everybody was warned. they were to

to be premeditated fisa fraud committed against fisa judges -- i would love to hear from them -- for the purpose of spying on presidential campaign, transition team, and president. in other words, also will bring us to the origins of mueller's witch hunt. according to multiple reports tonight, the contents of that dossier, very well could be a key part of russia's campaign to interfere with our election. in other words, even "the new york times" now recognized that it was russian dirt from the get-go, designed to impact -- the whole it dossier that hillary paid for was russian disinformation, w kely from the beginning, "the new york times" said. during the hearing, this is amazing. robert mueller did not seem to know what fusion gps is. he also did not know that ronald reagan had made an appointment for him. he also did not know that one of hillary's attorneys was on the team. with more, she's done a phenomenal work herself, take the bow, catherine herridge, and our washington bureau tonight, and you deserve props. they were not many people in every news division in america that did

got massive huge breaking news surrounding the steele dossier, we'll break the hill's john solomon, fisa abuse did occ occur, we have confirmation. also coming up, solomon will be here with the brand new evidence that will blow a lot of this wide open. also tonight, we are going to begin with the fake moral phony selective outrage that is the swamp, washington, d.c. first it's collusion, then it's obstruction, now it's racism. anything to just hate trump every second every minute every hour of every day. if he cured cancer, they'd still hate him. the evolution of the left anti-trump rage and psychosis is beyond december pratt and predictable and despicable. moments ago, the democratically controlled house of representatives voted to condemn. trump's love it or leave it tweets about the four far licht radical socialist congresswomen, known as the squad. especially congresswoman omar, speaker pelosi called the president of the united states a racist. but a only a few days ago the squad leader, congresswoman the real speaker of the house pelosi speaker in name only, alexandria ocasio-cortez

so where is their investigation into the fisa abuse?hat about their investigation into political bias in the mueller probe? is their investigation into a list of government spying, using the powerful tools of intelligence against the american people, especially at the height of an election favoring one candidate over another? did they even care if i ranking bureaucrats broke the law, trampled on the rights of americans, and of course, does the whole issue of surveillance, unmasking, leaking raw intelligence? seems the only thing they care about is taking down a duly elected president. and by the way, all the while calling him a tyrant. how ironic. it brings us now to jeffrey epstein. the left is now shamefully trying to use this guy, a convicted pedophile to smear president trump with reckless innuendos, suggestions, why? because the president wants new epstein. by the way, epstein lived close to mar-a-lago. went to mar-a-lago in palm beach. let's be clear, the president's association with epstein, it ended many, many years ago. watch t

watch, rod rosenstein signed off on it june 2017 fisa warrant.ou were on this? were you submitting an unverified application, on top it said verified? >> yeah. well, we have few more questions too for mueller. he can answer process questionsis -- did you know andrew weisman when head of fraud section told he was briefed on dossier it would have been a conflict for him to be on your staff. and told that weisman told journalist thats do dossier was fine and dandy, it would have ban a conflict. we have a lot of though questions for him that are not about the investigation but about process. gregg: yeah. ask you about michael cohen, we learned from a judge, this there are not going to be any criminal indictments related to campaign finance and the money that so-called hush money that was paid, i have to assume, because, paying money for a nondisclosure agreement is not a crime, but prosecutor in new york convinced cohen to cop a plea to a noncrime. >> the plea deal with cohen was a fraud, they knew that is was not a crime, president said, let's have

the fisa warrant was reauthorized and overlapped with mueller.goes to the heart of the issue. >> i'm quoting from the steel dossier. extensive evidence of conspiracy between the trump campaign team and the kremlin. did russians tell that to christopher steele or did he just make it up. >> let me say as i said earlier with regard to steele. that that's beyond my purview. catherine: the investigation into the investigators led by john durham is whether key information was withheld from the fisa court. liz: let's get to ned ryun. we love him so much we are bringing him back on. the ceo of american majority. your reaction to what catherine reported. >> one of the most of staggering moments from the mueller hearing was when he said he was unfamiliar with fusion gps. the steel dossier was used to secure a fisa warrant basically using the steel dossier as the evidence and not having making that clear to the fisa court they were using what was unsubstantiated information. i have to say this. the fact that mueller's team apparently did not investigate fus

>> i'm going to let horowitz do his job to tell us what happened with the fisa warrant process.to the american people that everybody was investigating trump hated his guts and liked clinton. i'm going to help tell that story, but i'm not going to do issues his report. we will try to lay out the facts of the case and in the future if you apply for a fisa warrant you have to tell the court, by thehe way, the chief informant here hates the person they are looking at, it's not verified. so i will do that, here's what i want you to understand. the democratic party is imploding. that's bad for america. the immigration policies are no more criminal liability, you get free health care, abolish i.c.e., and even if you go to court and lose, you still can't be deported. that's insane. >> sean: i've been down to the border 14 times. you are going to the border? >> tomorrow. >> sean: we'll update everybody. when we come back, really disturbing details about the jeffrey epstein case are beginning to trickle out. jonathan hunt will give us a full report. dan bongino, geraldo rivera, about the

saying that the questions about fisa, fisa course and the steele dossier are not really necessary tothey've already been litigated. each side will accuse the other of putting on a circus. eric: meanwhile has to do with the fact of russian interference and in which there was. russians did invade our election system. they took 76,000 names from the voter rolls in illinois for example. two counties in florida and suspected to hit 21 other states. do we expect that mueller will outline that it will get any traction on capitol hill in terms of protecting the integrity of our election system? >> i think part of it will depend on how much democrats and republicans ask him about that. we do expect democrats to focus on the obstruction of justice aspect rather than connection to russian interference in the election aspect. i think it is something republicans are concerned about as well moving forward and russian interference and how it could impact future election cycles. but at the end of the day, this is going to be really dictated by what the congressman ask robert mueller. eric: we will s

take fisa application. for a warrant on carter page, a u.s.are -- a warrant on a u.s. citizen with a fisa unless they are working with -- what is basis for getting a warrant that named him. the fusion gps, was funded for purpose of generating op-ed research. >> let me ask you, a question, former federal judge, these are federal district judges who sit on fisa court. i'm just curious about this, if you were one of those judges. you learned about parsety of these application it was misleading would you not want to call parties back and have a evidentiary hearing. >> unfortunately, i don't think that the fisa courts is set up that way. but that court functions to consider application for -- >> there is no recourse for a judge to say, he misled me, come back and chat about it. >> there is recourse in writing opinion, but not talking about an on going hearing or a court that functions on a on going basis in that way. that said, i would think that there would be a lot of questions asked. by not only the judges by the office of professional responsib

they went ahead with the fisa warrant. >> that did not make it into his report. david: it did not. >> dossier rather than being used by mueller to target trump, should have been investigated by mr. mueller, that was the vehicle. russia misinformation, working happily with the fbi and doj president obama, and some of the trump administration, deep staters there. justify spying on the president. why didn't he investigate that? only mention of the dossier in the mueller report, as best i could see, he said it is unverified. that is the cornerstone of the russia interference that real russia interference in the campaign, and still having it echo, because we'll have again the democrats raising it and mueller having to talk about it in a week or so. david: switching gears to immigration. the topic dejour. you folks have done some digging found out dirty little secret about obama administration record on immigration. share it if you can. >> we long had record from obama administration showing reports of abuse by officials in -- you know people what were handling uac, un

he signed the fisa warrant for spying. but he never spied. how many fisa warrants did he sign? >> he signed three of the four. look, i looked at these questions. they're so laughable. mueller asked isn't it true that the trump organization explored a construction project in moscow. yeah. he's a developer. that's not a crime. another one was, well, isn't it true that the trump campaign met with a russian lawyer? yeah, but that's not a crime. my favorite though is isn't it true that a trump associate heard a rumor that the russians had hillary clinton's e-mails. yeah, but it's not a crime to hear a rumor. it's tempting to dismiss comey. he thinks everything is a crime somehow. it's more than that he's a pernicious partisan and the audacity of a guy -- remember, he's the guy that stole government documents that were privilege, leaked them to the media to trigger the special counsel and now he has the temerity to pen a column of hear are the questions that the special counsel should be asked. he's insufferable, sanctimonious and most people just wish that he would crawl in a dark h

this fisa court needs to be looked at too. these fisa judges are federal district judges.ith this as former department of justice official. how in the world can these fisa judges not call bab the fbi, have a evidentiary hearing a contempt hearing find out why the hell were they lied to? not a single one of these judges. extended three times, one fisa extended three times. not a single one of these judges called back comey or anybody else to clean up this mess. why is that? steve: do you think part of it historically these fisa judges have been rubberstamps for whatever the government. ainsley: 99% of it? >> well that is a great point t might expose them for the joke they are. i say abolish the fisa courts unless we fix this abolish the fisa courts, unless serious members of congress figure out how this went so wrong. we cannot have the, understand how this works. there is no counterparty in these rooms. they are held in secret rooms. i know where these rooms are. the fbi puts its arguments together, it is signed off. the judge has to protect the individual citizen. they di

what role did your office play in the third fisa renewal? >> not going to talk to that. >> time of the gentleman is expired. gentlelady from florida. >> director mueller, a couple of my colleagues -- right here -- wanted to talk to you or ask you about lies. so let's talk about lies. according to your report, page nine, volume one, witnesses lied to your office and to congress. those lies materially impaired the investigation of russian interference, according to your report. other than the individuals who pled guilty to crimes based on their lying to you and your team, did other witnesses lie to you? >> i think there are probably a spectrum of witnesses in terms of those who are not telling the full truth, and those that are outright liars. >> thank you very much. outright liars. it is fair to say then that there were limits on what evidence was available to your investigation of both russia election interference and obstruction of justice. >> that's true and usually the case. >> and that lies about trump campaign officials and administrati

at the top of the fisa warrants its is verified. then john solomon's report which is the fbi had their own spreadsheet, even they knew that to 90% of it was garbage, so then on top of this, now we are seeing just how high up it goes, do you think we get to the question of when did obama know it? speak of the meeting occurred before comey went and ambushed then candidate trump with the dossier of january 2017. there was an oval office meeting where comey brought up the dossier with mr. obama, mr. biden, susan rice was there. and i think brennan was there. and they all discuss the dossier. susan rice was there as well. obama knew about the dossier and the text messages between strzok and page. the white house wanted to know about this. when it came to going after trump on the dossier and the obama administration it was all hands on deck and was orchestrated out of the white house. and i think the big issue is for the media and investigators, why isn't president obama being asked to serious questions about this? >> not one time. i know

also, keep in mind, the horowitz investigation into fisa abuse is just one of now three ongoing probes into the federal government's abuse of power, corruption scandal. during the 2016 election. without a doubt, the washington swamp, they thrive under the biden-obama administration. rigged investigations, multiple instances of fraud committed against the fisa court, political bias at the highest level of the fbi, and our intelligence community. a two tiered system of justice. leaking, lying, spying, malfeasance, like we have never seen before. and tonight, even more corruption is coming into focus. this time, surrounding sleepy creepy crazy uncle joe biden himself. oh, and later in the show, if you are friends with uncle joe, well, you might want to tell him to tune in because he and hayes, oh, we would never allow russia to interfere in something on my own obama's watch, oh, i've got a response coming up. but tonight, we start with john solomon of "the hill," investigative reporter. we are now know that biden's son, hunter, he was gainfully employed by ukrainian gas giant. from 2014 t

because james comey signed the first fisa application in october 2016, went to trump tower in january 2017 and told you it's unverified, months earlier, he swore on that application, the fisa application, that it's verified, so he lied. what are your thoughts about these people today? >> president trump: well, comey is a liar and a leaker. and that's obvious. all you have to do is justs follow him a long and see what he said to a congress. clapper and brennan and all of these people, mccabe, these aree bad people. my opinion, they are very bad people. they've been very bad for the country. i useded to think they were incompetent but they are really, i guess, competent at other things and may be bad things. we'll see what happens. i guess a lot of things are coming out. it's going to be very interesting, and it will be great to clean up a real big mess because again, it can never happen. this can never be allowed to happen again, sean. >> sean: mr. president, you sihave the power to literally release the fisa applications and the 302s and the gang of eight information, and you made a d

also what the fbi did before the fisa court which they have no credibility. american people this was based on the clinton paid for dirt, they used fake news stories, the reporters repeated what steele told them, the fbi used that to support the fisa warrant against an american citizen and there's other stuff the american public doesn't know about that is equally as bad or worse in my opinion. shannon: they contended dossier was not what they used to get the warrants but we are hoping the inspector general will answer. >> but remember those aren't our words, they are the words of the people we interviewed at the highest level of the fbi. without the dossier they could not have gotten the fisa warrant and to repeat what i said the rest of what they claim is so critical is i believe even worse than using dirt from a political campaign. >> transparency is good and we hope we get some on all of this, thank you for coming in. a federal appeals court, donald trump cannot block his critics from his twitter account. the second -- a social media account for public purp

we'll get to the bottom of this, the fisa question and all the corruption.sh: ways your -- -- ways your suspicion? >> we know there are a host of people of involved in putting together a false dossier from which a fisa warrant was granted to spy on the president and his campaign and family. that should never happen to anyone. trish: we are talking about the obama administration. >> we are going to see. i'm grateful attorney general barr is committed to get to the bottom of this. i don't want to speculate how far up the food chain it's going to go. but we know it's going to go pretty significantly just with hillary clinton. trish: there are a lot of questions and americans deserve answers. it shouldn't matter which side you are on here. you should be on the side of americans, and our freedoms. and our privacy rights. and the idea you can get a fisa warrant because somebody is on the opposite side of an issue or campaign, that should terrify every one. thank you for joining us. coming up, remember joe biden? middle class? like the rest of hard-working america.

campaign with the purpose the fisa was passed to prevent such a thing.he harder question which is horwitz is working on is whether this was an honest mistake, people were duped by the steel dossier and the terrible evidence, fraudulent evidence brought to the best justice department or something worse, whether the intent and the misuse of fisa was partisan to affect the election. i hope that is not the case because that would be a disaster for the justice department. mike: you expect horwitz to get to the bottom, whether the fbi crossed the line as far as whether in russians infiltrated the trump campaign. >> yes and i think that is why we want to take his time, to go back and interview more if he finds 11th hour person, as fox news is reporting and make sure they don't give away any secrets or classified information that is eventually made public which it could be soon. mike: joe biden talking about russia and election security. take a look at this and get you to react. >> vladimir putin is trying to undo our elections he's doing undo elections in europ

the fisa warrant was obtained?gate how that all came about if it was unreliable? and why is your team full of people that gave money to hillary clinton? there's obviously some bias there. those are the things i'm sure republicans want to talk about in our hearing. >> republican mark meadows says yes, republicans are ready to go after robert mueller and chris examine him. what they say are the flaws in his report, that the russia probe itself was anti-trump bias and government spying from the beginning. here is mark meadows quote - for two years the democrats claimed conclusion strike one. for months they twisted a no intimate report into obstruction, strike two. now they believe a t.v. hearing will help them recover, strictly no betters on deck. your take on that? >> yeah, i agree with mr. meadows. again, i don't think we will learn anything we don't already know.the report found no collision. he could have, if you wanted to recommend a charger obstruction but he did not do that. if he didn't do that, obviously he

should they have at least flagged what they learned at the fisa court? on what you are talking about. they certainly should have flagged that steele was not reliable because they had already -- they learned about simple statements that he made that there was a russian consulate in miami, for example so it depends on what you're talking about. >> laura: sol, what i just referenced was the issue of this guy's unreliability with a source, not a direct source with direct knowledge, he admits this guy from a former soviet republics, that he was putting his own spin on facts that he may have gathered from other sources, so it's a more attenuated claim that perhaps that fact should have been flagged to the fisa court when there was actually spying on an american citizen. that is a point i was making. >> it should have unquestionably been flagged if the fbi knew about it and if steele knewf about it. the biggest problem, as we pointed out before, is that there was no corroboration of steele's information. it's not enough to corroborate steele. you have to corrob

>> yes. >> the fisa application makes reference to source one who is christopher steele. the fisa application says conducting the research into candidate ties to russia based on sources reporting history with fbi whereby source one provided reliable information to the fbi. they believe it to be credible. do you think the representation that it was credible to be accurate. >> i'm not going to answer that. >> so you're not going to respond to any of the questions regarding christopher steele or your interviews with them? >> as i said at the outset this morning, that was one of the investigations that i could not speak to. >> well, i don't understand how if you interviewed an individual on the purview of this investigation that you're testifying to us today that you've closed that investigation, how that's not within your purview to tell us about your investigation and how you interviewed. >> i have nothing to add. >> okay. well, i can guarantee you the american people want to know. and i'm very hopeful and glad that a.g. barr is looking into this and the inspector general i

on an innocent person or failing to highlight to the fisa court judge that it was political research from fusion gps, a company robert mueller seemingly has never heard of as evidence? that is american? let's forget war our fbi and justice department was doing. what spurred this entire thing. but the left thinks only politics matters in this. think about how sad that is. this our country we are talking about. nancy pelosi sounding like she wants to pursue this whole impeachment thing in her news conference just hours ago. it will get her nowhere. putin has won this round. we are divide. and while divide, our congress led by the democrats can't find its way out of a paper bag let alone engage in meaningful international foreign policy that may be just what russia wants. we have our very only edward lawrence. what a day. >> president trump in west virginia for a fundraiser. no doubt he's repeating his frustration from what he saw on capitol hill. president trump: they should be ashamed of themselves. you know who knew of it was a phoney cloud more than anyone else? schiff and nadler an