attorney who is known to be a political and professional which this guy fishman is. he is not a grand stander or partisan guy, basically a professional level civil servant guy who happened to have gotten the job of u.s. attorney. that is good for christie. it means when this guy has a report it will be definitive. >> thanks for joining us. you deserve all coming your way. coming up everyone had the same reaction when christie accused david wildstein of deceptive behavior in high school. tonight the true story behind the smear. plus the department of distortion how conservatives took a government report can liberate people from dead end situations and turn it into obamacare kills jobs. what did a republican say? and a question that hangs over new jersey, who created this monster. this is "hardball," place for politics. you have time to shop for car insurance today? yeah. i heard about progressive's "name your price" tool? i guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a range of options to choose from. huh? i'm looking at it right now. oh, yeah? y

paul fishman is 180 degrees from chris christie. it's an opaque office from that standpoint.ne thing i would say is, if you use the hoboken one as an example, and the timeline you have there is pretty helpful. she came on our show that saturday. she was in the u.s. attorney's office the next day. she handed over her diary. the actual subpoenas of records was almost two full weeks later. we know when it comes to the george washington bridge part of this, the subpoena served in the republican state committee, chris christie's re-election campaign, the lawyer for both of those entities say those subpoenas relate to the george washington bridge lane closures. we know those two subpoenas, we're not entirely sure on what christie's office one is. there was a bit of a lag time in the hoboken one to get around to do something which would seem on the surface to be obvious. she made the allegation, she turned over her diary. let's get the records from the city. it took them close to two weeks to getting around to do that. the question is -- i understand there are people in hoboken will

paul fishman, a different type of u.s. attorney. frustrating to people to follow this. you're going to be in the dark more where his investigation is or isn't going than you would wb with chris christie. >> why we rely on you. >> exactly. >> you raise an important point. that's how it's supposed to be, it shouldn't be political leaks, they should figure it out, see where it lands. >> thank you. mr. new jersey, steve cokornack. watch our friend on "up with steve kornacki" weekends on msnbc. this weekend he was off, because of the olympics. next, five gold medals up for grabs today in sochi. will michael sam change the nfl? "the cycle" rolling on. a live report from olympic park. huh...fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald was a really bad speller? your word is...cow. cow. cow. c...o...w... ...e...i...e...i...o. [buzzer] dangnabbit. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things.

attorney in newark, paul fishman, he is going to have to make a proffer. he is going to have to show the evidence he's got. he is going to have to give his -- his lawyer is going to have to give a statement about what david wildstein has to say. and then the federal prosecutors are going to evaluate whether or not they think that's a credible account or not. i think we're a long ways away from getting immunity. but for him to get it, he is going to have to show a lot more than he is asserting in this letter. >> mr. wisniewski, here is the key question from tonight going into the weekend. why did the governor's people put out a statement tonight denying that he didn't know about the bridge closures before they occurred, but did not deny knowing about them during the closures, during that four or five-day period? it seems to me they do not want to admit openly that they knew about those closures while they were going on, because that opens perhaps a can of worms. if they knew about them, what was the governor asking about? who was he talking to about them? g

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but it's what a competent prosecutor does, and this is what paul fishman is doing in this case. >> weearned also that bridgette kelly is going to be pleading the fifth and not offering up any documents, that doesn't surprise you just as wildstein plead the fifth, right? >> right, they are the two key figures, they are the ones who sent the two key e-mails that set off this whole scandal, time for some traffic in fort lee, got it, those were the two e-mails, the two principle figures, they have both taken the fifth, the real key question, and we don't know the answer to it, will the u.s. attorney give those to anyone taking the fifth immunity. he's the only one who can do it, unless and until he gives them immunity, we're not going to hear anywhere story, they do seem like the key figures at least so far in how this all happened. >> jeff, thanks, always been fun. just ahead, breaking news, a dangerous fugitive back in custody, after his alleged hostage kept her cool and called 911 from a gas station bathroom. listen. >> yes, occupied. yeah, in a little bit, sorry. it's taking me longer

attorney in new jersey, paul fishman. let see what they come up with. with direct evidence that he's a liar, that's another story. but right now they don't have it. >> and wolf, very briefly here, what do we expect to hear from christie when he goes on a radio show later today? >> it's the first time since then, nearly two-hour news conference we're going to hear -- presumably he's going to answer questions about these points. it will be interesting. it's going to be during the 7:00 p.m. eastern hour. we'll hear what he has to say. he has been relatively silent, almost completely silent, in the face of all of these fresh allegations, although he did put out this written statement really going after david wildstein, these talking points, as aides put it out. but it was really tough. and when you start, you know, pointing out that maybe wildstein had some issues when studies class in high school, - you know you're in trouble. if that's the best you can. >> yeah. absolutely. >> wolf, good to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks, wolf. >>> all right. now we'r

meanwhile, paul fishman for the state of new jersey, the federal attorney is looking at all aspects of the christie administration, including the actions of kelly and stepien. >> you're a lawyer. which side would you go? >> i would talk to the feds. because that's where the serious time here, that's where the possibility of a rico, a conspiracy charge would be. that's the guy with the real legal muscle in the state of new jersey. ironically, the same job that chris christie used to have. but a very different kind of guy. >> mark, i want you to start right now on this piece of reporting that you guys did in your book. i was sorry to have just read that passage this weekend. i was looking for anything on christie. in your book "double down", the big best-seller about the 2012 election, when mitt romney meets with christie in 2011, seeking his endorsement, it gets to the core i think of how christie and his team do business. quote, this is in your book. during that meeting, christie also told romney something else. that until christie made up his mind, he wanted none of the candidates, in

attorney in newark, paul fishman, he is going to have to make a proffer. he is going to have to show the evidence he's got. he is going to have to give his -- his lawyer is going to have to give a statement about what david wildstein has to say. and then the federal prosecutors are going to evaluate whether or not they think that's a credible account or not. i think we're a long ways away from getting immunity. but for him to get it, he is going to have to show a lot more than he is asserting in this letter. >> mr. wisniewski, here is the key question from tonight going into the weekend. why did the governor's people put out a statement tonight denying that he didn't know about the bridge closures before they occurred, but did not deny knowing about them during the closures, during that four or five-day period? it seems to me they do not want to admit openly that they knew about those closures while they were going on, because that opens perhaps a can of worms. if they knew about them, what was the governor asking about? who was he talking to about them? g

. >> respectfully, the united states attorney, paul fishman in new jersey is investigating this case.. >> and the state legislature run by democrats, both houses, are disproportionately democrats controlling the committee are investigating. he gets asked, what do you think about bridgette kelly. forget about the investigations, i'll tell you what happened. >> no matter what he does, we saw him in washington last weekend like riding and running. he was a member of the witness protection program instead of the republican governor's association. i don't want him to look like an extra from american hustle ii and that's how he's coming off. >> let me give a final question. he reports that you're losing big donors on wall street. totally countered by the numbers out of the rip can governor's association. who's right? that rga number coming in or what charlie is reporting? is he losing wall street support? >> listen, i don't know but 6 million coming into the rga is big. some of the others running for governor is hiding from him. if they don't take pictures, that will be a big embarrass zblm

. >> there's a criminal probe by the utah attorney in this district, paul fishman.shut down what you do so he can do what he does? >> no, our counsel met with the u.s. attorney. they've had a conversation. he's very comfortable, our attorney is very comfortable that this investigation can proceed on a parallel track. >> what's the end game here? i ask that because you've talked about some of it and i've made this point clear before. you were the state democratic chairman. okay? you are a democrat who actually was responsible for the political arm of the state. you've been asked about what crime might it be involved here. back in january you said on "nbc nightly news," let me play it on the screen. >> sure. >> using the george washington bridge, a public resource to exact a political vendetta is a crime. having people use their official position to have a political gain is a crime. and so if those tie back into the governor in any way, it clearly becomes an impeachable offense. >> so what is the crime that is an impeachable offense? >> well, the question is, did the

short fishman. >> i need to correct something i said earlier.e carlos was not -- where protested where there was a black power salute was the 1968 olympics, not '64. it was very bad of me because i remember. i should have known better. sorry. always want to correct yourself immediately while you are in the out. >> yes, we do. we try to do that. we're moving very fast here. let's get to mary thompson with more on what is moving. >> we're seeing modest gains in the markets after a four-day winning streak as the markets are -- traders are asking are we going to make it five in a row. essentially we're seeing broad-based gains and a little bit of weakness in the interest rate sectors and reits as well as utilities and the s&p within striking distance of its all-time high within about a 2% range there. a number of people are saying what are the catalysts that we could see in today's session, the china data imports at a six-month high and good earnings news and if possible a senate vote on the debt limit, the news that the house, of course, voted to e

the evidence, let's see and that presumably will come out in the subpoenas either issues by paul fishman super legislative committee that's investigating it politically. so it's bound to come out. then we'll see what actually it is that gives rise to wildstein's allegation that the governor new during the period of the lane closings. >> if you were involved, what would you be able to demand at this point based on the information or lack there of in the letter? >> you would want all electronic communications that relate to the whole topic of the bridge closings. that's e-mails, other correspondence, things that exist within the written format of the office. all the communications between the governor's office and its campaign and the port authority. and then you'd develop a sort of dossier of information based on that regular written regulation and then you see what they say in testimony. >> is this enough to lead to a subpoena of governor christie? >> yes. it is. the question would be timing. and usually, you build these cases from the foundation and you move your way up and christie wou

. -- >> paul fishman was there. >> they were there roughly an hour.nd all the speculation you put in there, what will he allow? what will he not? they were were given a green light not quite full speed ahead but to proceed as they have been proceeding. >> okay. if you're in the public and interested in seeing some of these documents, that's an encouraging sign. thank you, brian. chris christie as u.s. attorney and governor, a tale of two very different investigations. we're going to tell it to you next. en you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪ is that true? says here that cheerios has whole grain oats that can help remove some cholesterol, and that's heart healthy. ♪ [ dad ] jan? still ru

paul fishman wants to see what wildstein has and what he's got to say before -- they want to proffer. they want to test that proffer and make sure he has an airtight case before they consider granting him immunity. i think it's pretty clear, if you are serious about trying to get an immunity deal or you thought you had a good chance of one, this is probably not the way to go about it. you're trying to deal with the federal prosecutors, not with the public audience and not with the state legislature. >> it's all true, the reputation of david wildstein's attorney, the particular attorney he chose to go with, his reputation as a guy who tries to cut deals for his clients more than some of the other attorneys he could have gone with. the other thing, if you look at the entire range of characters here, david wildstein is the one with the least loyalty going in, to christie. he's the least likely to take the fall for christie. so there's also the possibility that if he does potentially have access to something, i think he's a lot less likely to keep something from public view than some of t

paul fishman's investigation is the show.lives will ultimately be ruined. going back to watergate. the ultimate question any time there is an investigation, what did the lead suspect know and when did he know it. david wildstein says he can answer both questionses. i agree with paul. he and i agree that bridget kelly is a much more likely domino to roll. credible, a single mom with kids to feed. in this situation, any prosecutor that is going to cast the female or the male lead is looking for somebody that will play well at four, five, six, and 10:00 and on this show on saturday and sunday morning, steve. >> one final question. the other guy who had an issue, bill stepien, the former campaign manager refusing not just to testify but to turn over documents as well. brian is saying the legislative committee is sort of aaa baseball in all this. are there serious consequences for not turning over those documents even to that committee? >> it is what a good attorney would do. there is this complicated fifth amendment doctrine call

joining us exclusively is jay fishman and jim finchem joining us from hartford. >> thank you. >> good morning, carl, nice to be with you this morning. >> jay, this is a big deal. ten years. why that kind of commitment? why now? >> well, i'm always fond of saying that this event works for us because we're a hometown company, hartford based, 7,000 people here supporting a home tounle town event, it's really old school pga tour and it's important to the community. it's important to our employees. it just -- there's no constituency here that doesn't thrive from it and so signing up for it, it's been great for everyone, great for us. so, let's keep going. >> tim, the kind of revenue you've been able to generate under your stewardship, what does this mean? tim, you got me? i think they might have lost my audio which is too bad. the honda classic, of course, is kicking off in just a few days here. actually in progress. and tiger woods, of course, locking for a wlock ing looking for a win, a lot of attention on golf the bill in arizona where, of course, the super bowl ma

where fishman who as i regard the single greatest buyer of municipal bonds in our lifetime, all right that there's great value occurring in the muni bond market because puerto rico's pulling everything down. people kind of ignored it. he said something, he used the word competitive, about pricing, you know, words you cannot use. it's like george carlin, one of the seven words you cannot use, say your business is competitive. but lost in that he said the whole market is coming down because of it. >> and it's been something to watch. the municipal market a look at one of the most frequently referenced indexes of muni bonds. there is an expectation that puerto rico is still going to come to the market to show that it can kind of raise some money and be done. it won't have to come back to the market for quite some time, so this idea that a default is looming may not be correct. >> how about a bailout? how about a federal government bailout? >> feds say time and time again that's not happening. >> is it more difficult to come to market now because of the downgrade and the cash position tha