so fitara was designed in order to strengthen the cio's role and also to make sure that they're doing things like agile development. that when you have these big, expensive projects, that you're realizing victories and wins and deliverables over a six-month period rather than, you know, pending half a trillion dollars over four years and producing nothing which actually happened when dod and v.a. tried to improve interoperability within their electronic health records. and the scores are based on information that the agencies are providing to themselves. so this is their own information. they know exactly how the score is arranged, and the reality is we only had one out of 24 agencies, we only had one agency get a b, we had one agency had an f, and everybody else was in between. and what's been good is that this has focused the conversation on things like data certain consolidation. the federal government has almost 11,000 data centers. facebook, one of biggest companies in the world, has four. there's no reason that the federal government should have 11,000. again, we realized that f

through this fitara scorecard we have realized that four agencies have consumed $4 billion of data by moving into the clouds so with the scores were trying to shine a light on some of the key elements that we can improve the efficiencies and the security of the federal government infrastructure. >> host: before you go any further fitara is an acronym for federal information technology acquisition reform act and cio is an acronym for chief information officer. tim starks. >> guest: the scores you talk about if i recall correctly the last scorecard shows a number of agencies moving up that you think they are moving up fast enough and showing the progress you would like to see? i believe six agencies are the ones that moved up and that's a good trend. the reality is the environment in which these chief information officer cios are operating are pretty large. i don't think we can get to improve security fast enough. there is no silver bullet when it comes to protecting digital infrastructure. the reality is you have to begin with the presumption of reach. you give an attacker enough time

areas that i think are very important that we continue to play our oversight role within congress on fitara and making sure our agencies are moving in that direction of improving our security across the networks and one thing that i am passionate about is making sure that there is true interoperability between the department of defense and the va when it comes to electronic health records. a soldier or sailor or airman marine should not be told when they are leaving dod to print out the electronic health records and physically carried to the b.a.. it's 2016 we should be a load to do that with a button and if the va is able to achieve interoperability they can use -- be the standard for the world and that leads to a lot of great things, everything from doing a research cohort where you can dt lifesaving drugs to the market quicker. as an individual you can see all of the documents you have ever had and that will help you be healthier and live longer. there are some really exciting things in the federal government can lead in this area if we get our act together. >> host: congressman will hur