advisor said trump would often cite fitton to others, and fitton told some of trump's lawyers that he could keep the documents, even as they disagreed. the advisor said fitton, who appear before the grand jury and was questioned about his role in both the mar-a-lago documents case and the investigation into the january 6th 2021 attack on the u.s. capitol, acknowledged he gave the advice to trump but declined to discuss the details of their conversations. multiple witnesses said they were asked about fitton in front of a grand jury, and the role he played in trump's decisions. trump never believed that his home would be surge and thought that he would be able to keep the documents. two advisers said. the day after donald trump was arrested by federal agents and arraigned on a 37 count indictment, that includes violations of the espionage act, people who served at very close range with donald trump at the highest level of his administration did not rush to his defense. the former marine general, who is the longest serving chief of staff in the trump white house, john kelly, told the was

his >> tom fitton and that group, they did a fantastic.eady had a relationship before the 2020 election fitting pushed a false idea of widespread voter fraud, and after. >> inside activists tom fitton. >> the january 6th committee set fitton urge trump to quickly declare victory before all the votes could be counted. so in the documents case heated up, a person close to the former president told cnn that fitton weighed in, adding, the moment tom gone in the bosses ear it was downhill from there. >> it all could be true, and he still wouldn't listen, because they haven't shown any crimes. >> and now despite the indictment, the arrest, and the very real charges of mishandling national security secrets and obstruction, fitton shows no sign of letting up. >> and frankly, based on this analysis, trump should get every single document took from him back. these are all personal records. >> cnn first reported on this relationship many months ago, and went our evan perez reached out to fitton about this latest pause, he insisted as he has always in

instead he turned to the advice of tom fitton. this man who told him he did nothing wrong and keeping classified documents. if you don't know who tom fitton's, all have to do is close scroll on the don trump media say today. there are seven posts that he shared from tom fitton, peddling the trump line of innocence in the classified documents case. tom fitton even went on newsmax to claim, quote, don trump cooperated. this is all happening in just one of the two federal cases being investigated by special counsel jack smith. donald trump is also facing potential criminal charges for his actions on january 6th and his role in trying to overturn the 2020 election. we know donald trump called the georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, to pressure him to change the election results. we have that phone call. and now, new emails obtained by the philadelphia inquirer, show that donald trump called in the estate senator doug mastriano in december of 2020 to pressure him to pedal election conspiracy theories. quote, that trump had

joining us now is judicial watch president tom fitton. his is great at mission.he lost the case against bill clinton for exactly this purpose. explain how bill clinton's sock drawer, what that has to do with this particular indictment against trump. >> i mean, you can ask most other lawyers. they know the cases they lose, right? and so when this issue popped up , we said why is the justice department doing the exact opposite and taking the different legal position than he took for bill clinton who had these records made, interviews that continued while he was doing business in the white house, calling foreign leaders, members of congress, his secretary of state, arguably classified that sort of material , certainly national defense information is defined by the current justice department and they came in, they told michael who was representing judicial watch at the time, still is senior attorney here, that there's nothing we can do about it. the president has perogatives here to designate records here as personal versus presidential and no one can second guess hi

tom fitton joins me now. tom, great to see you this morning.ails as presented are damning, and the president is becoming more is and more defensive, clearly. i mean, where does this go from here? >> i don't see how the house avoids an impeachment inquiry, you know? the alternative is that you rely on the justice department to figure out what went on. i mean, we don't expect president biden to come out and make a confession, right? you look at what the evidence is about what he knew and when he knew it and the extent of his involvement, and the evidence as you point out is powerful. and this justice department, the evidence is protected hunter and joe biden in an improper way. frankly, this individual litigant up in delaware, the computer shop owner, is probably going to ask hunter biden tougher and more significant, substantive questions about the laptop than he's ever been asked before, certainly by the justice department. and if they don't want to have a grand jury do anything, if they don't want the justice department to have a special couns

tom fitton is the president of judicial watch. the oftom, welcome to the hour. what do you know about what could be there at the university of delaware? >> well, it's the president's lawyer accuratelersityy recountd there's classified information. >> and by the admission ofthe ps biden's lawyer among his senate records. wed theirs classif sued with thr news foundation at the beginning a few years ago for the records at the university of delaware. they pushefor thd at us. we can't even get the secret deal that they have. with the university to keep t these records secret from the american peoplhe e. >> we have a hearing next week before the supreme court of delaware from th on this battle. >> so biden can end this in a minute. right. inute. >> h e can just say releaselease th the records. but the deal is currently as best wee s but th it we won't get these records till two years after he leaves politics these. >> so explain to me this. how long have those records from sitting here? because for the first time and i've been covering the story for a while, i haven't

let's bring in tom fitton who joins us this morning, great to see you.more do you have on this biden document? >> we should remember that it is not just the document, the one document they are asking for. the reason they were asking for to begin with is because they thought there was something substantial fair according to their sources and so what has been done to follow-up on this document, it is not just for one document but for the file. i wouldn't characterize this as the old nixon player, the modified limited hangout, would this be enough to satisfy congressional oversight? chuck grassley wants to release the document so we have asked for the document for instance and haven't gotten it so we will sue for it i guarantee you, but certainly congress has to push far. they have been abused today, there's negotiations because it is a political matter. he was compromised 6 ways to sunday and the fbi had information people suspect wasn't followed up on. ashley: let's get to this issue. federal prosecutors obtaining audio of donald trump in july 2021. in th

they say that trump instead, took the advice of tom fitton, the head of a conservative group, judicial. and others who told him that he could legally keep the documents. and should fight the doj. jacqui, this is again donald trump and his boxes, that he doesn't want anyone else to have. is it possible that the doj would have considered such a deal. >> that is a very good question mika brzezinski, even though it was from christopher case, the attorney who appeared with donald trump this week. who was shortly sidelined after this proposal was made. and after he felt out some players about potentially reaching out to the department of justice. but it seems unlikely after the justice department would have agreed to even issue a, coming to some sort of agreement with trump's team. especially, even with that timeshare, they already knew that the former president was in possession of classified materials, that were highly classified, top secret, and contained things like the nuclear codes, and again highly sensitive top secret documents related to the military. but as we reported, the former

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the co-founder of judicial watch tom fitton was in one of these trumped up grand juries for four hours is here with the inside scoop. all right, so, tom, take us through this like a story. how did this start? >> so i get home from significant skin cancer surgery. i'm lying on the couch recovering. and in the evening, knock, knock, knock. a few hours after i get home, knock, knock, knock. two fbi agents are at the door with a subpoena for me to testify to the grand jury about presumably this mar-a-lago issue. although the fbi agents happily noted that i did have an amazon package there on the porch as well. and then, you know, a few months later they said well, i can come in for a proffer. all of a sudden no proffer. you have got to come in for the grand jury, which is very unusual. so i end up going to the grand jury. and just before i go into the grand jury the day before, they say oh, by the way, we want to ask you a little bit about this january 6th stuff, too. >> jesse: oh you got the two for, january 6 and mar-a-lago docs. >> go in there 23 or so grand jurors. three prosecutors al

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just like it's not a valid defense if you relied on a nonlawyer, tom fitton to say, yes, sure, you can law, there has to be a reasonable basis for that belief. grow see it herein either case. >> is there anything from this week, the indictment what jack smith has done, that gives you a view or a hunch about where he might be headed on january 6th? because he has that portfolio, he hasn't charged anyone there yet. >> yeah, look, i've thought all along, ari, i think i've said to you and others i think an indictment in the january 6th case is likely. the select committee recommended, made a criminal referral. just based on the evidence that we were able to gather. jack smith has gotten additional evidence. he's able to overcome privilege assertions and get access to mike pence, to mark meadows, to pat cipollone, beyond executive privilege assertions. it's only going to make the evidence of specific intent to obstruct that official proceeding on january 6th more provable. so i've believed all along that they were moving inexorably toward an indictment. i think it's a big deal to cross the

that last argument about clinton's sock drawer i think is perhaps the most interesting here, tom fitton, the head of judicial watch told reuters he went into the special counsel's grand jury, jack smith's grand jury in d.c. to explain why he thought under that ruling from amy berman jackson made it so that donald trump didn't do anything wrong, that he could declassify anything, he had the right to anything under that ruling from her. what do you think of that argument? is it likely one we're going to hear in donald trump's defense? >> you're not only going to get me down into the weeds, you're going to get me down into the sock drawer, apparently? >> we hear it a lot. it's worth going through it. i have heard this over and over again. >> it's difficult to sort out. i don't want to try to make something complicated that should be simple. but the presidential records act came in after watergate. there's a great amount of respect that is afforded the president of the united states in a separation of powers battle between congress and the president over things like records, which ordinaril