and, fitzhugh brundage is a history professor at the university of north carolina, chapel hill.the south and u.s. history since the civil war. gentleman, welcome to the newshour to you all. peniel joseph, i'd like to start with you first. i know you are a strong proponent that we ought to take down confederatema confederate s across the country. explain why. >> because the confederal symbols are symbols of racial hatred, slavery and white supremacy. so i think what some critics do is conflate the wish to remove the monuments with somehow politically correct advocacy of whitewashing or subbing american history. nothing could be further from the case. removing confederate symbols is not the same as trying to remove the washington monument or symbols of thomas jefferson. those founders owned slaves but their ideas about democracy and freedom, they were generative ideas that other groups, including people of color, women, lgbtq have utilized to perfect the union. when we think about the confederacy, that's something different. there was a civil war between 1861 and 1865 where over 6