they fl li -- they don't feel like real people are governing the american people. dick like it is e -- they feel like it is elites, people not like us. >> you have to find a way to communicate a message. in the house, you don't have power. >> the best illustration of a point evan is making is that every public governor of west virginia, joe manchin -- a very polar governor of west virginia, john manchin, is in the race of his life until he makes an advertisement where he shoots the cap-and-trade bill. it is not an abstract idea, it is a bill. it represented by coastal elites route luxuriate in the ecological mitosis passing a bill that would -- in the ecological righteousness by passing a bill that destroyed their state. he got his seat by saying that he is against democrats and washington. >> cap-and-trade would've had an impact on west virginia. he would have done that regardless of who was city and washington, democrat or republican president. >> the rebels and in the country is with -- revolution in the country is with elites -- people in the middle of the coun