>> look, i think senator flake's speech today was very powerful. particularly in the back drop of the last two days where we have republican senators and our you know, dhs secretary basically lying about what happened in the oval office two days ago. but i think when he said that it doesn't go as far as what other countries have done in terms of making the press the enemy of the state, i think he's wrong there in that the president comes pretty close to that line. i mean, certainly he's not killing anybody but you know, he has taken credentials away. he has kicked reporters out of press avails and picks and chooses who he wants to be in a press avail and kicked reporters out of the oval office. he has threatened to take away licenses of the media. these are all things that go right up to that line and it's a scary place because the press is the core to our democracy. it keeps our government and our elected officials honest. and the president has decided for whatever reason, he is not going to be honest. the way to get away with not being honest is

flake: this is very much the president's party. i'm not happy about that.) >> but even he says the threat by some lawmakers to boycott president trump's first state of the union speech is wrong. sen. flake: you respect the institution, you respect the office, even if you have differences with the president. ♪ ♪ soledad: i'm soledad o'brien. welcome to "matter of fact." on tuesday, president trump will deliver his first state of the union address. it is arguably the most important speech on any president's calendar, a chance to look back and look ahead. george washington delivered the nation's first state of the union address on january 8, 1790. among his priorities for the new nation -- the growing respectability of the country, the importance of a well-prepared military, and immigration. in washington's day, that meant any free white individual was welcome to america's shores to apply for citizenship. fast forward more than 200 years, and president trump will likely be addressing similar challenges. and with the control of the hou

flake: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. flake: mr. president, near the beginning of the document that made us free, our declaration of independence, thomas jefferson wrote "we hold these truths to be self-evident." so from the very beginning, our freedom has been predicated on truth. the founders were visionary in this regard, understanding well that good faith and shared facts between the governed and the government would be the very basis of this ongoing idea of america. as a distinguished former member of this body, daniel patrick moynihan of new york famously said, everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. during this past year, i'm alarmed to say that senator moynihan's proposition has likely been tested more severely than at any time in our history. for it is that reason that i rise today to talk about the truth and the truth's relationship to democracy, for without truth and a principled fidelity to truth and the shared facts, mr. president, our democracy will not last. 2017 was a year which saw the truth,

david: let's talk about jeff flake. remarks, i just mentioned to somebody we had on, the fact is he's not getting applause from the left because the left sees him as a hypocrite. how do you see it? >> he has no constituent i. i am sphrp arizona and i don't know one arizonan who likes jeff flake. he says trump uses rules and regulations to stifle freedom of and compared trump to a dictator. obama sat with a ruthless dictator for three hours in cuba at a baseball game. if you are a dictator you don't deregulate the economy and give power back to the people. anybody who watches the news knows that if you have 90 person * bad news and you have the economy that trump had, there is no way the media is being fair. david: he said specifically that president trump uses laws and regulations to stifle the truth. when did trump ever do that? >> i think what jeff flake is trying to do, he's known as a loser and he's trying to rebrand himself as a hysterical drama queen. there was no audience. the only person in the room was dick dur

you touched on graham and flake. lindsey graham has been telegraphing this to anyone who would listen, that after that first vote he felt like the cr that goes to the 8th of february was going to be good enough for him. i think you've seen this very light touch pressure from graham and flake towards their democratic colleagues, with whom they're very much aligned on the immigration issue specifically. they're going to have to find a deal they can take because they're not going to get that cover from their republican colleagues so far. this is an interesting move by mitch mcconnell, because he's not overpromising. he's not offering to pass a bill. he's not offering to attach any of these pieces of legislation to some other must-pass bill. he's not giving democrats a free ride here. he's giving this the opportunity to be debated and dealt with on the floor of the senate, which is the kind of thing that probably the rest of his caucus is going to be more comfortable going along with because it's the kind of thing they t

>> look, i'm very good friends with jeff flake. thought it was way over the top to talk about, to compare the president of the united states with somebody who has been at the hands of murdering millions of people, i can't recall the number but a lot of people, i got to tell i think that is just a bridge too far. he has got a solid case to make on self fronts but i think he undermined his credibility comparing him to stalin. i think that was too much. david: a little bit. jason chaffetz, good to see you, sir. thank you very much for being here. melissa. melissa: distracting from the agenda. cory booker lashing out at dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen over the president's alleged comments. is this slowing down progress on a daca deal? michael goodwin, "new york post" columnist is nix. evaluating patients remotely is where i think we have a potential to make a difference. (barry murrey) we would save a lot of lives if we could bring the doctor to the patient. verizon is racing to build the first and most powerful 5g network that will ena

that's what i was getting at is what's in this for flake?e's not leaving yet, so he's going to just have this -- i don't know if it's going to be a contentious relationship with his fellow republicans while he works out the rest of his tenure? or what he's doing. >> i suspect it's something -- >> he's a man on a mission. >> what is that mission, doug? >> i just think he's a man on a mission to tell the truth that he's disgusted with donald trump, wants to cut it off and now he doesn't care what his other republicans think. that makes him free. that makes him have a certain degree of power. >> how do you see it? >> i think he's concerned about his legacy. that's important for him. and i also think that maybe there is some inspiration for us journalists that we don't just pat ourselves on the back and accept these roles but we also make it clear that we do accept legitimate criticisms, not as enemies of the people and that we are willing to scrutinize or own role including our screw ups and that that will make the country better but as long as

jeff flake did not hate obama the way he hates donald trump because't obama didn't threaten flake.f you are jeff flake or lindsey graham or a dozen other republican senators who secretly despise their own voters, the obama years were a perfect time for you. you could complain about democratic control of government in a low-grade way, play the role of a principled opposition, give a few floor speeches come into a few tv hits and go home. he didn't have to do anything or change anything. it was the political equivalent of a no-show job. nice work if you could get it. there is a reason republicans haven't delivered a single major conservative law since welfare reform and that was more than 20 years ago. no wonder guys like jeff flake loathe trump. he called their bluff. suddenly republicans have all the power for the first time in decades, they could actually do what voters have consistently asked them to do for years. secure the borders, this time, for real. slow the flood of immigration that is making america poorer, more crowded, and dangerously unstable. but they don't want to do

here's the problem with flake, i call that flake news. he is comparing a tyrant, stalin, to the president of a republic. it's a little bit different. it is dishonest. it's hyperbole. you can criticize the press in america. in fact, flake kind of worried me when he said the only objective truth was in the media which is just nuts. if the media would admit it's biased, then accusations of false news would fade. it is the biggest lie of all. denying that reporters are not clouded by their own confirmation bias. we know it. it happens here. it happens there. you have no right to criticize anybody for criticizing the media because it's not about lies. it's about shaping your story based on bias. the other flaw in flake's reasoning, and this is done for attention. flake news. it's that trump is bad for the press. no one has ever been better for the press in history. yesterday's medical press conference, he wouldn't let the doctor go back inside until he answered every question. for eight years they were in a coma under obama because they agreed

he did that on the tax bill to get jeff flake's vote. they already promised there could be a daca vote. i think the bigger problem, though, is committing the house. pi think the one point of leverage democrats now have in washington is the ability to block legislation in the senate that requires 60 votes. this is it. and i think whatever happens in the senate, i think democrats are concerned they might pass a bill with bipartisan support and house republicans would refuse to take it off. there was bipartisan reform legislation passed the senate with more than 60 votes and the house republican majority refused to vote on it. so i'm guessing that part of the end game here is some kind of commitment from paul ryan that the house will consider and as i said this afternoon, the ultimate end point of this, it's hard to imagine that there's a bill that can get 60 votes in the senate if there's something that gets to the president's desk, paul ryan is going to have to violate the rule that says you only bring a bill to the floor if you have the

flake is of course no stranger to criticizing the president. he's one of donald trump's most outspoken critics, the retiring senator from arizona is choosing now to speak out, take aim at donald trump's attacks on the media. to these remarks from senator flake, garrett, tell us what your takeaways were? >> reporter: well, look, this is the second time we have seen this from flake going to the floor of the senate and delivering a speech, essentially entirely excoriating the president, calling his behavior unacceptable, as a reporter always standing up for the free press. but really talking about this long lasting danger as he sees it, that the president is inflicting on america that could last beyond the president's tenure, it's really striking, but from a purely political context, i have to tell you i was in arizona last week at a -- his is the minority viewpoint among republicans in his state. the people running to replace him are trying to keep donald trump close. he has some freedom to do this by the fact that he's going to leave the senate

where was jeff flake then?don't remember him comparing president obama to joseph stalin or bothering to defend us. jeff flake didn't hate obama the way he hates donald trump, obama didn't threaten the comfortable thing flake had carved out for himself. if you're jeff flake or lindsay graham or a dozen other republican senators who secretly despise their own voters, oat poom a years were a perfect time for you. you could complain about democratic control of government, give a knew floor speeches, tv hits, then go home. you didn't have to do anything or change anything. with the political equivalent of a no-show job it was nice work if you could get it. there's a reason republicans haven't delivered a single major conservative law since welfare reform. that was more than 20 years ago. no wonder guys like jeff flake loathe trump. he called their bluff. suddenly republicans have all of the power for the first time in decades, that could actually do what voters have consistently asked them to do for years. secure th

and flake said about him, trump is joseph stalin. now they're going to try to guilt trump into doing a deal with those characters? >> no, he should president -- they don't believe the immigration system is broken. they're only going for a deal, daca is threatened to expire on its own terms. they feel open borders helped flip the southwest from purpose tomorrow red. the ethnic tribunes like the narrative. the democratic party likes it. their idea, it's great, the only people say it's broken are the people worried about putting their children in public schools with english as a second language. >> laura: the schools they don't send their kids to. >> they're subject to the consequences of their own ideologies. boutique apartheidists. >> laura: as long as they get their yards dodge for cheap prices, they're good. if you think slate is out of touch, just wait. up next we take a trip to cnn dr. gupta's alternative universe. before we take a break, a touching moment capitol hill, lawmakers paying tribute to one of our last of his great gene

the flakes of the world because they are few are conspicuous. and i happen to still retain a faith that the truth is infectious. and that people will at the end of the day like to hear this. you know, anything repeated nonstop becomes boring even if it is bore riarishness. so it is quite possible to become quite tired of an act that they have seen fror the ful year oond wiand will want alter voices. >> is there any way for this president to turn it around, gain the trust back? >> he doesn't want to turn it around. he believes not without reason by the way that he was elected to make this kind of constant noise that has become in in flake's language the white noise of washington. so i see no incentive for the president to turn this around. his default position is to appeal to his base, his base likes this. his base happens to be only 30 prls of the country and that is not a sound basis for governing and indeed he is having trouble governing. >> george will of the "washington post," thanks so much for being here. >> glad to be with you. >> and sen

what flake does when he stands up. i'll just add that we know this president takes things like this very personally. to have someone involved in one particular bipartisan immigration conversation come at him in this way probably doesn't help that effort in the president's eyes. >> garrett, thanks very much. >> i don't think jeff flake is looking to help that effort. i'm pretty sure jeff flake thoughknows what he is doing. >> and people protesting there is not a clean daca bill. >>> new news that ousted white house chief strategist steve bannon got a visit from fbi agents at his washington home last week. >> what a week he had. >> still reeling from the outcome of michael wolff's book "fire and fury." according to members of the house intelligence committee, who endured a 9.5 hour session with bannon yesterday, he refused to answer questions on orders from the white house. committee members implied that bannon would be returning. >> if the white house is permitted to maintain that kind of a gag rule on a witness, no con

senator flake is done. >> senator flake. lou: he continues to run his mouth, he is absolute attack dog against the trump administration. >> senator flake should be ashamed of himself. my parents lived under a stalinist a regime, my father was arrested torture the and put in prison, this man has no moral compass left, senator flake has insulted all those people who died or suffered under true stalinist regime, a parody of a politician now. lou: what is this deal between mormons and president trump? not only jeff flake, basely going after him. but also mitt romney today, let's put up the full screen of what he said today. this is a man who has not even yet announced heed is running in utah for senate, property of aspiring up grand nation of origin is as irrelevant as their race -- i mean, that is pure nonsense. is he attacks the president. the part at end, he what to quote dr. king. >> yes, i don't think that this is about the church of the ladder day saints, i think this is about people who are politically irrelevant. and who

jeff flake is retiring. >> do you think it's okay that the president talks about the press this way?president obama -- >> somehow that the media -- >> it is not okay to me, is it okay with you that the president talks about the press this way? >> the president is allowed to go -- it is certainly fine for the president has his opinion just as the media needs to be held accountable for much of the misinformation it's put out there. you have to admit other networks have put out flat out false information. >> every network. >> harris: senator flake has so much to say but he's not going to run for reelection. you've got kelly ward, martha mcsally, in the state running for the senate, this is a conversation where jeff flake has been pushed off the envelope. >> jeff flake is rightfully acknowledging there is no place for him in the modern day g.o.p. anymore. >> susan collins isn't leaving the u.s. senate, senator mccain isn't leaving the senate. >> sheriff joe isn't coming after susan collins. >> at the end of the day the president leaves emac wins this battle because he will get an ally in

and flake was delivering this speech to an empty chamber. many people are really listening beyond us? >> i think that the reality here is, you know, if jeff flake was running for re-election, he wouldn't be saying this. he's a conservative by every measure. when he was in the house, he was certainly very conservative. i guess he's more of a moderate now. look, i'm not sure it makes that much of a difference. as you said, republicans want to get things it done. they're looking the other way here. i think in a matter of history, it's a marker at this moment that some people rose up. but the president's been very successful in his efforts to discredit the media, without question. of course, it's dangerous. >> the senator makes the point it's dangerous. again, if we naval gaze as reporters, some people would say you're making this about yourself. he made some important points. number one, it is a crime against democracy when the president of the united states will not recognize that russia meddled in the election and call a cabinet level meeting

sarah sanders explains. >> the flake/graham/durbin agreement doesn't meet the benchmarks. in short, it is totally unacceptable to the president and should be declared dead on arrival. >> melissa: now president trump says without the wall there is no deal on daca. peter doocy joining me from capitol hill. peter, where do we go from here

what, if anything, did senator flake say about the president's wall? in that bill? and did the senator from arizona give us any guidance on a timetable, when we might expect to see something? >> so i'm looking at the comments that were sent to me about the -- about the wall. i don't see any reference here. i do know that, you know, the main question here on capitol hill was not necessarily whether there would be a quote/unquote wall, but what the president defines as a wall. democrats have not necessarily had a problem with increased border security. and our understanding of where that agreement was was 600 to 700 additional miles of border fencing of some kind, some kind of physical barrier. remember that congress has voted and many democrats have supported additional fencing and things like that as part of other broader immigration proposals, overall. so i think the challenge is obviously if the president wants to go out and sell it as the big beautiful wall. but there were republicans, many of whom represented districts that, you know, include some part of the me

flake is at the seemingly outer orbit. there's a shot of, corker and flake, probably the two biggest critics on the republican side of this president, on opposite sides of leader mcconnell. and pat lahey is about to walk across the bottom of the frame. this is your senate at work. >> i think senator john kennedy, the republican from louisiana who i think quickly is becoming the most political center right now of the 100. he just simply said the other day we suck at this, referring to the united states senate. and i thought, well, all right, that's one way of not mincing words. but he's right. i have to say i've been stunned by the lack of urgency coming out of this white house. i don't understand why mr. art of deal and that whole thing, they're not -- the irony here, is there's such an opportunity for the president to separate himself a little bit from washington, to give himself an opportunity to say i ran because i thought these guys didn't know how to make deals anymore, and he could save the day and cut this deal. but

senator flake, thanks for joining us. back to our panel, ron and jay newton small.ke say, is there a prospect of a deal on immigration to protect the dreamers and keep the government open? i don't think so, he said he wished he heard the president be more bipartisan, especially knowing they would need democratic votes, especially if they are going to pass it in the house, about 70, and he wanted more of an olive branch and not insist on the controversial issues like chain migration, like the diversity visa. that i think... those are the issues democrats feel were added on in this deal that were not in the original deals they've been talking about in the last few months. now they're saying, why should we agreed to this new deal? they are further and further apart and what he said tonight didn't get them any closer. jeff fla ke tonight didn't get them any closer. jeff flake saying it was an american carnage bit of the speech, the bit on immigration, and you made the observation it is a hardline section. is that donald trump digging in on the issue that got him elected

and, of course, we had jeff snow flake or corn flake, flake, flake, >> frostee flake. >> frostee flake, on the senate floor embarassing himself with hyperbolic speech comparing our president in a fun way being able toy tell troops about the fake media comparing our president to stalin. these people as you so deathly pointed out over the last hours and days and months, have completely lost their mind. and now president trump is going to force them to cover each and every single item on the list. >> everybody in the bubble. echo chamber. you know who they are. we can name -- we do name the them. this is why it's so important. they've been saying this is so bad for freedom of the press. you know what's bad for freedom of the press, lying. and doing and not only lying, but choices, they won't cover the biggest stories that exist in our lifetime. and because of their agenda and they still can't get over they were wrong on the election. >> or shawn you can make the argument that donald trump is exercising his first amendment right by pushing back at media as he did -- >> wait he has one? >>

as you heard from senator flake.he most attention was being paid attention to the individuals in the garbage truck. the investigation is ongoing, brooke. i'm basically told that the belief is that the garbage truck was taking a left into kind of the intersection and either stalled out or got stuck n terms of how much time the train deduct conductor had to react, brooke, senator flake said there was no brake. the impact itself was the first thing everybody felt. when it hit, law measurings were sent across the aisles. senator flake said it took him ten minutes to find his phone, bottles of water flying everywhere. what the lawmakers did in the aftermath, you heard senator flake. i'm assuming they told lawmakers to not get off the train. the lawmakers decided to get off the train. those with medical training. doctors immediately got off. as you noted, one individual did die. another individual, i'm told, was seriously injured, dealing with head trauma and other injuries as well. we talked about some of the doctors that

.>> arizona republican senator jeff flake denouncing presidential use of the term news and enemy of the people described the news media in stories that he doesn't like.in a speech this morning on the senate for center like call president trumps attacks on the media shameful. impulsive. here's a look at speech. he followed by democrats who supported his comments. this is about 25minutes. >> . >> mister president, near the beginning of the documents that made us free, our declaration of independence, thomas jefferson wrote we hold these truths to be self-evident. so from the very beginning, our freedom has been predicated on truth . our founders were visionary in this regard, understanding well the good faith and shared fax between the government and the government to be the very basis of this ongoing idea of america. and as a distinguished former member of this body daniel patrick moynihan famously said, everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts . and this past year on alarmed to say that senator moynihan's proposition has been tested more severely than at any time in

those targets would be snow flakes and we are tracking a band of snow flakes that is inside the truck here. so i want to show you some of the technology that we have on board because basically we can run an entire weather show out of this truck and this is kind of the game changing technology, so you can see i can punch up different cameras within the truck. i can see what's going on outside. we have a camera mounted on our windshield and you can punch up inside and then this is the actual control display for our radar so that we can actually determine where snow and rain bands are. and so we are doing that at neighborhood levels. so let's take a look and show you what is storm ranger detecting in parts of new jersey right now. and it is detecting some snow across much of middle counties. we'll be watching that throughout the course of the morning as that snow band moves from west to east -- east to west and as we do so we'll continue to track it throughout the morning and we'll show you the technology that's on board here. a real time radar on wheels. >> all right. thanks for that. w

election because flake didn't support him and senator flake is angry about that and has his views of trump are colored understandably by that but he's going way too far but it was certainly don't you don't think this is just a politics the mr heins i mean he was talking about the systematic attack on the media and on what is the truth i mean the president has a very bad track record when it comes to telling things that do not correspond to the truth you know. i don't believe that there's a systematic attack against the media by donald trump in fact i think that donald trump's honesty in saying what he thinks about certain people in the media or certain reporting about him is refreshing and i think that you need to realize that you know in the united states eighty percent eighty five percent i don't know of journalists you know democratic voters now that means that as democratic voters who are surrounded at the workplace by other democratic voters they're going to be biased it doesn't mean they're bad people it doesn't mean they're not intelligent but that's a big assumption on your p

senator jeff flake says three passengers were aboard the hit truck and senator flake is reporting one fatality, two injured. they helped carry one of the members with medical personnel. this is ed o'keefe who has been covering congress, as you know. what are they telling you about the rest of your travel? will they bring buses to get you down to west virginia? will you continue as planned? >> the focus continues to be on what's happening outside the train. it's unlikely this train will continue to our destination so they're almost certainly going to have to take us off the train, put us in alternative transportation to go back to washington or continue on with our trip. >> well, this is a terrible occurrence for all of you members of congress, the senators. tell me about the retreat and what you were hoping to accomplish or still might be accomplish this week. >> we have a retreat at the beginning of each calendar year and not only our leadership to bring in people to talk about the agenda we want to pursue for the coming year. the secretary of defense, the secretary of state and othe

senator flake what did you think well i like to start by saying that you know i respect senator flake courage and in saying what he believes is true. and i believe that he believes that to be true. however it's. just simply ridiculous i would say to compare donald trump with joseph and there's absolutely no comparison you know trump was kind of open about opposing flake in the in this election because flake didn't support him and senator flake is angry about that and has his views of trump are colored understandably by that but he's going way too far but it was certainly don't you don't think this is just a politics the mr heins i mean he was totally that the systematic attack on the media and on what is the truth the president has a very bad track record when it comes to telling things that do not correspond to the truth you know. i don't believe that there's a systematic attack against the media by donald trump in fact i think that donald trump's honesty in saying what he thinks about certain people in the media or certain reporting about him is refreshing and i think that you need

senator flake joins me now from phoenix, arizona.ou plan to take to the senate floor on wednesday, as i just said. and i'm just going to quote a little bit from your speech. you said, "2017 was a year we saw the truth, objective and empirical evidence-based truth more battered abused than any other in the history of our country at the hands of the most powerful figure in our government." what concerns you most about this? >> what concerns me is when you use phrases like enemy of the people, then you trace that phrase back, and it was not a good origin. it really was popularized by joseph stalin. and i am in no way comparing president trump to joseph stalin. joseph stalin was a killer. our president is not. but it just puzzles me as to why you would use a phrase that is so loaded and has such steeper meaning, the press being the enemy of the people. so, that is a big concern. what this president does, the most powerful man in the world, has lasting implications, and it has implications for journalists worldwide as well as our free pre

flake: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. flake: mr. president, on friday, i voted with many of my colleagues here not to accept the -- the deal that was offered at that time, the four-year -- i'm sorry, the c.r. to go for four weeks. i felt that that was unnecessarily long. and also i voted against it because i felt like a lot of my democratic colleagues and some of my republican colleagues, that we need to deal with this situation on immigration, and that we shouldn't wait for the white house to indicate its preference. i felt that we could have an agreement to move forward, so i voted against the proposal at that time. in the intervening time, we have worked with the majority leader to, one, have a shorter time frame which has now been offered, that of february 8. that's longer than i would like, but it's shorter than a four-week c.r. also, we have an agreement that the majority leader has just announced that if an agreement on immigration has not been reached by that time, that the majority leader, using his discretion and his autho

the reason i raise this is i see jeff flake representing a showdown.en people who represent classic republican values and people who represent what president trump does, which i don't think is republican i. it reflects what he said last week about, what he said about women, a lack of respect for the craft, the department of defense, the department of state. i fear this country is being divide between not only people who represent democratic and republican values, but people who feel their values so deep reply they think violence is the answer. i see in it my personal e-mail and i'm afraid we'll see it in america. >> do you agree? >> i'm hoping that he is not right. i must tell you that i am deeply troubled, deeply disturbed by for example what we saw in charlottesville, which may have been a tim of an iceberg. people who would be willing to confront people with whom they disagree. if you will, incite violence and incite this invective. i hope he is absolutely wrong. what is necessary is the people of good will who do not believe violence is the answer,

although, i do want to say when we speak about flake -- senator flake comparing trump to joseph stalinare wrong. because he didn't compare them. he just compared the language. which i think in a democracy already is a coupe but noneless the it's not a direct comparison. >> explain that. >> in a democracy it is a coupe because not only the president is using enemy of the people, not only semarly, the press organizations today we saw the results of the fake news award, which is remarkable in many ways, so it is a coup that the president brands those who disagree with them as the enemies and those who produce fake information -- that is something that nondemocracies do. so i think in this sense it's a coupe that in his language the president cites those well known dictators, and not just the 20th century dictators but all autocrats. >> that's another point jeff flake went on to make. let's listen to more of what he said, talking about president assad of syria and due tear tee of the philippines. >> assad brushed off a report that some 13,000 people had been killed in one of his military p

i think flake was courageous and staying.ife and easy for me to sit here and say he should have run. but serious people concerned about what trump is doing to this country. and i guess the thing that occurs to me watching senator flake and talking to a lot of other people is that it's really time to fight. i mean, governor, one quick story, governor called me yesterday, i don't know him that well, but called and seen something i said about immigrants being deported, i this i about the detroit airport, guy been here 30 years, wife, kids, and he said what can we do about this. i said you are a governor. i do nt know what we can do, but if you and other governors say this is an out rage and talk tour law enforcement departments and go tour senators and congressman say what is going on, you can do something. so i'm a little tired of elected officials saying gee is trump is a bad guy and not acting in congress to pass daca or governors to change things. >> brian, to this point though when you talk about comparisons to dictators i

i don't think it is healthy, so i give senator flake a lot of credit.: do you share the sentiments we heard in that report? all these attacks could one day lead to a journalist's life being lost? james: i certainly would hope not. i cannot predict what would happen, but there is not much good i don't think that can come from the person holding the highest office in the land continually attacking the media. i think there are risks associated with it. that is a major one. there are other ones where people don't believe in the information, even things that are true. so in terms of conducting public life to have civil debate about what they should take with various questions, you do need to be able to have a civil understanding of what is going on and the media serves a purpose in that regard. brent: in the media we have been forced to jump through linguistic loops recently because of the president's use of profanity. take a listen to belgium, what they told our correspondent when asked about donald trump's negative remarks about brussels. take a listen. re

senator flake, remember, is one of those key republican negotiators. he and lindsey graham were the ones really engaged in what flake described as shuttle diplomacy, kind of back and forth inside the capitol, mitch mcconnell's office not very far apart from each other and flake, of course, was one of the people walking back and forth even as schumer and mcconnell were not talking to each other. senator flake, if you wouldn't mind coming this way -- we're live. how did this happen? >> what? >> reporter: the deal. how did you get here? >> three days of talking, i guess. basically friday what we started with was basically what we ended with but just a firmer commitment than we had initially. >> reporter: did you promise to hold mcconnell's feet to the fire on this? >> well, we did talk to democrats and said we feel we have a commitment and i did go back to the leader's office and said that stronger language would be helpful and he did get stronger language on the floor today particularly about the fairness of the process. in terms of picking a bill or how

they, you know, take that off the table so that you can focus on what might be happening with senator flake or others in the senate? >> secretary sanders: this is a great starting point, a great place -- >> even though it went beyond the parameters that the president very specifically and then you later -- >> shannon: he outlined the things he felt he had to be included, not just what could be included. this is a good starting point. part negotiation process. if we can get everything done, that's better than getion part of it done. we're okay with getting a deal done as long as it falls into the parameters the president laid out. >> he understands adding the extra things are what makes -- whats that the potential to make it more difficult, various constituencies think of those things as poison pills -- >> secretary sanders: that's why it's called negotiation, everybody puts everything on the table they want. you figure out what you aren't willing to give up, you try come out with everybody winning. that's what we hope to do both republicans, democrats, the house and the senate. we have laid