you mentioned flannery o'connor and her encapsulation as a writer was? >> she had said at one point the primary gift she needed as a catholic writer was the gift of vision. notice vision a capacity to see and to see not the capacity to read the future but the capacity to see what is hidden. for her it's primarily the hidden presence of god. . he's less mmanuel he is with and less visible. he's more easily forgettable. he is becoming increasingly hidden. which she needs to do is find a way in this secular culture to impregnate her stories with the presence of god often the presence of god is best seen or recognized by the negative pointers that she embeds in her tax. she forces you to face the absence of god the seeming void this desert experience of our contemporary secular culture. >> meaning there's not really nourishment for the soul available. we are talking about film and fiction. there's lots of escapist nurture and literature and films. you said car crashes in various other things. the serious art is perhaps having a struggle. you told me you do t