here in flemington, the minute flemington dropped below the federal poverty line, the community action program headquartered in philipsburg, new jersey rushed into flemington and filled it with programs, including head start and early head start. i am not debating the lives of children. that is cruel. i'm not debating who should get it, how long you should be here. what this community action program does and what they do around the country, they treat those federal dollars as their own. they pay their executives whenever they please and i know as a matter of fact they pay poverty wages to employees that are not federal employees. they were employees of these private community action programs and they pay them such a low wage. just above the poverty line for they cannot get medicaid or food stamps, they are outrageous in terms of benefits. host: let's get a response from our guest. guest: i totally agree there is lot of graft in these programs. nobody in the country objects to educating children. nobody in the country objects to the efficient and just use of the government and some kind