we continue turning back to gay talese and floyd abrams here.is different, in all of the different press that you have covered and you have basically represented the press, the credibility of this particular president and how the press deals with it. >> i think it has become a press problem of how to deal with it. i mean, the president says, in so many words, without equivocation, crime rates went up under president obama, say, when they went down. what are you to do with that as a journalist who does not want to be viewed as political and who does not want his publication to be viewed as, sort of, taking on the president every day? and the answer is, in this world, you report it, you comment on it, and then you are denounced for being partisan. that's a big problem. >> okagay. >> i think the achievement of these hundred days has been that trump h gained the attention of sections of this country that were paying no attention. >> to civic life, to government? >> i believe that we have an alliance of interest from all quarters of america in our go

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