joinin me is floyd norri of the walltreetimes and nnis berman of the wa street journal. m pleased to have th of them at this table. everybody is tking about this. tell me the gnificance of these two firms. >> this is a phenomelly good me to be running a time, phenomenally good. competition is down. spreads are up. the ople whoant toorrow don't have much choic but to accept what y're offering. they've been able to rai their fees o credit cards. they've raed their fees in lots of aces. so the business they're doing now, the new business is likely to be extreme profitable. now t troub i the old siness. if you wen't stuck with the d business, this would be a wonderful me to be a bank. i wish could become a big bank instantly with , you know, with no hiorical assets. yocan just do so wl right now. >> chaie: so what's that mean >> unfortunatelyplaces like bancf america and citigroup have a l of bad assets both o tm reported profits, thanks to selling asset and doing interesting als that dot have ything to with operations or with continuing things. the numbers they put o were r