we at flvmentyu have tried to be a -- we at nyu have tried to be a particular thing and that's a metaphor, a complex education in handling complexity and cacophony. swathmore like i mentiona while ago, gives a different kind of dissonance to their students. what we've tried to do in the last decades, we try to be the best version of what we bring to the orchestra. we are very proud of the fact that we've succeeded at that and therefore we've become more attractive to the students that are right for us and we tell the students on the tour that we're probably not right for most of them. we're right for those that want to get the great disciplinary education but also want to learn how to pild a community of communities amidst complexity. >> so how do we rebuild a situation that for so many has frankly gotten out of hand? how do we get to a place where a reached school is a reach school right reply understood, the best place for you that makes you test yourself, push yourself a little harder rather than make you feel that you're already a failure at 18 if you don't get in? >> the first thing