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, calling flynn's lawyers to ask what flynn knew about the president. and what he was going to tell prosecutors about the president and how flynn should know how the president felt about him. i mean, it does not change the tone, but we get more of it. quote, i understand your situation, but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. who talks like that? it wouldn't surprise me if you have gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. if there is information that implicates the president, you know, we need some kind of head's up just for the sake of protecting all our interests. remember what we have always said about the president and his feelings for flynn, but, well -- we know from the mueller report what happened after that voice mail. i mean, we can now see the full transcript of it. we know from mueller's account, around -- describing the incidents around that voice mail, we know what happened. here is how mueller describes it. flynn's attorneys returned the call from the president's counsel. flynn's attorneys reiterated they were
, calling flynn's lawyers to ask what flynn knew about the president. and what he was going to tell prosecutors about the president and how flynn should know how the president felt about him. i mean, it does not change the tone, but we get more of it. quote, i understand your situation, but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. who talks like that? it wouldn't surprise me if you have gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. if there is information that implicates the...
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whatever's going on with the flynn case right now, flynn did just fire his longtime lawyers in a surprise we don't know who his new lawyers are. there's also been a steady drip of new details released to the public by orders of the judge in the flynn case, including a voicemail from president trump's lawyer john dowd, dowd telling flynn's lawyer that he wanted a heads-up if flynn was going to provide information to prosecutors that would implicate the president saying that that might have national security consequences. we don't know what flynn might have been able to say about the president that would implicate him and have national security consequences, but that voicemail got a lot of people's attention this week, including senator richard blumenthal of connecticut who said this. quote, hearing the striking audio in the tapes released yesterday actualizes the pardon the president dangled in front of flynn. americans deserve to hear and see more. all the evidence making clear the case for obstruction. joining us is senator blumenthal of connecticut, member of the judiciary committee in
whatever's going on with the flynn case right now, flynn did just fire his longtime lawyers in a surprise we don't know who his new lawyers are. there's also been a steady drip of new details released to the public by orders of the judge in the flynn case, including a voicemail from president trump's lawyer john dowd, dowd telling flynn's lawyer that he wanted a heads-up if flynn was going to provide information to prosecutors that would implicate the president saying that that might have...
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before flynn's next status update.e doesn't want to go before the judge right away. she wants another 90 days. during that time, if she's not able to make her case for leniency to the judge, shi could presumably spend that time making that case on tv, making that fox on fox news, which means making that case to the president, because that were the president gets all of his information. so this adds a whole new really suspenseful element to the weird case of mike flynn, right? but it also means the case of mike flynn is not a historical case. it's not over. the reason mike flynn features so prominently in volume 2 of the mueller report, it's about the dangling of that pardon to him in volume two that is described as one of the potentially criminally obstructive acts by the president. if the president is now going to grant flynn the pardon, that means the obstruction investigation, the investigation, the president potentially being implicated in that, trying to effect what he might say to investigators, trying to interfe
before flynn's next status update.e doesn't want to go before the judge right away. she wants another 90 days. during that time, if she's not able to make her case for leniency to the judge, shi could presumably spend that time making that case on tv, making that fox on fox news, which means making that case to the president, because that were the president gets all of his information. so this adds a whole new really suspenseful element to the weird case of mike flynn, right? but it also means...
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this is a federal judge who is overseeing mike flynn's sentencing, mike flynn hasn't been sentenced, president's former national security advisor who lied to the fbi about conversations and contacts with former russian ambassador sergey kislyak, he was -- this phone call, this voicemail was left for his lawyer. rob, this is john again, that's john dowd, i'm sympathetic, i understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. it wouldn't surprise me if you'd gone on to make a deal with the government. if there's information that implicates the president we have a national security issue so, you know, we need some kinds of heads up just for the sake of protecting all of our interests if we can. remember what we always said about the president and his feelings toward flynn, and that still remains. but well, in any event um, let me know and i appreciate your listening and taking the time. thanks, pal. again, we will hear this audio, maybe in the hour, maybe later today. it is a voicemail left from the president's personal criminal lawyer in the russia investigati
this is a federal judge who is overseeing mike flynn's sentencing, mike flynn hasn't been sentenced, president's former national security advisor who lied to the fbi about conversations and contacts with former russian ambassador sergey kislyak, he was -- this phone call, this voicemail was left for his lawyer. rob, this is john again, that's john dowd, i'm sympathetic, i understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. it wouldn't surprise me if you'd gone on to...
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in flynn's case specifically, adam schiff has suggested flynn could get a break if he testifies.s clearer than a voicemail from dowd a year and a half ago. >> you're exactly right. these are two witnesses that are in a very different posture that other witnesses called by congress. they're still cooperating with the government. they still have this hammer hanging over their heads with a potential sentence. you remember at flynn's last appearance before the judge, when the judge was about to sentence him, it didn't seem to go as well as they thought it would go. the judge took a break and said i need to you go back and do a little more. you need to continue cooperating. it's a real threat hanging over them. they have an added insensitive to be cooperative with the house and provide testimony. i think you will see a very different picture with them. >> shannon, the president didn't just send a tweet supporting mike flynn, he gave a shot out to flynn's new lawyer, sidney powell. tell us who she is. president trump said she's a great lawyer. >> she's one of the fiercest critics of th
in flynn's case specifically, adam schiff has suggested flynn could get a break if he testifies.s clearer than a voicemail from dowd a year and a half ago. >> you're exactly right. these are two witnesses that are in a very different posture that other witnesses called by congress. they're still cooperating with the government. they still have this hammer hanging over their heads with a potential sentence. you remember at flynn's last appearance before the judge, when the judge was about...
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flynn's attorneys interpreted it as a possible attempt to try to deter flynn from cooperate with theller investigation. i want to discuss this and more with our political and legal experts. joey jackson, let me play the audio of this voice mail. listen closely to this. >> i can understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with -- and work with the government. we need some kind of heads-up just for the sake of protecting all interests, if we can. without you having to give up any confidential information. remember what we've always said about the president and his feelings toward flynn and that still remains. >> that was a portion of the voice mail. do you think this represents solid evidence of obstruction? >> there's no question in my mind, wolf, that it does for the following reasons. and it appears to me, if i had to have takeaways from that tape right there, these would -- what they would be. number one, it appears as though the president is unnerved and certainly although hi
flynn's attorneys interpreted it as a possible attempt to try to deter flynn from cooperate with theller investigation. i want to discuss this and more with our political and legal experts. joey jackson, let me play the audio of this voice mail. listen closely to this. >> i can understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with -- and work with the government. we need some kind of...
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mike flynn is finally sentenced. flynn's lawyer is a professional anti-robert mueller pundit and author who can be found at any time of day or night on the fox news channel opining about robert mueller and the russia investigation and the justice department being a whole bunch of terrible criminals and corrupt traitors. she has said that the judge in mike flynn's case doesn't know what he's doing and that flynn should withdraw his guilty plea and stop cooperating with the government. so when flynn recently dumped his previous legal team and hired her instead, just as he's heading toward finally being sentenced, it gave rise to the expectation that, perhaps, mike flynn might be about to back out of his cooperation deal. he might back out of his guilty plea. he might, instead, try to get a pardon from president trump. frankly, if you're asking me, i would -- i would be surprised if that still isn't where this is going, but today in court, on this weird news day, today in court, we learned that mike flynn isn't going th
mike flynn is finally sentenced. flynn's lawyer is a professional anti-robert mueller pundit and author who can be found at any time of day or night on the fox news channel opining about robert mueller and the russia investigation and the justice department being a whole bunch of terrible criminals and corrupt traitors. she has said that the judge in mike flynn's case doesn't know what he's doing and that flynn should withdraw his guilty plea and stop cooperating with the government. so when...
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this is how trump feels about flynn. this is what trump has told dowd about how he feels about flynn to pass it on. so, look, mueller didn't go there. mueller didn't subpoena dowd and try to sort of pierce the veil of the attorney/client privilege and find out how involved was trump in this, what discussions did they specifically have about this? it's clear to me that dowd is committing a crime here. the question is how involved and what would the evidence be against trump? i mean, common sense tells us he's involved, but what would the proof be? but congress can go there. they don't have to stand by the attorney/client privilege in the way that mueller did. >> you know your way around a recording as a former fed. most of them, of course, organized crime and not presidential politics, but there is that certain element that reading a flat transcript on a page doesn't deliver. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i've listened to dozens and dozens of recordings of organized crime and other people, and, you know, if you play a reco
this is how trump feels about flynn. this is what trump has told dowd about how he feels about flynn to pass it on. so, look, mueller didn't go there. mueller didn't subpoena dowd and try to sort of pierce the veil of the attorney/client privilege and find out how involved was trump in this, what discussions did they specifically have about this? it's clear to me that dowd is committing a crime here. the question is how involved and what would the evidence be against trump? i mean, common sense...
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he was flynn's business partner. today at flynn's hearing we learned that despite kion having been his business partner, despite his new lawyer that says robert mueller runs a crime family and flynn is innocent and he should withdraw his guilty plea and stop cooperating, despite all that, we learned at today's court hearing with mike flynn that she says he's going to keep cooperating to the point where he's going to testify at that trial and she wants another 60 days. she asked for 90. she got 60 days to read in while flynn keeps cooperating with prosecutors. and then leaving the courthouse, they stepped over the dead rat lying on the steps outside the courthouse. and the subtle art of metaphor died in that moment. honestly, there's a lot that is a little bit weird right now in the court cases and investigations that have sprung from the mueller investigation. for example, on friday, felix satyr fr sater from the trump organization, took lead on the trump tower project, on friday he ghosted the house intelligence com
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we'll see whether flynn agrees.ay he'll be able to resist at the end of the road, but i think he may fight and try to make them go to court as has been the case with every other witness so far. >> as you mentioned flynn's new attorney has the trump stamp of approval. we've got this tweet, general michael flynn, the 33 year war hero who served with distinction has not retained a good lawyer. he has retained a great lawyer. sidney powell, best wishes and good luck to them both. what's the kind of risk there? if the president did choose to pardon flynn, let's say it doesn't come to the end of term, 2020, and by then flynn may have served his sentence. >> or close to it. a pardon is always desirable even if you have served removing the sort of scarlet letter and sanction of a criminal conviction. so, he still wants to be playing in that direction. but again, it's a dangerous move for him so long as he is in front of sullivan which he will be for at least several more months. sullivan wants him to play it straight and sh
we'll see whether flynn agrees.ay he'll be able to resist at the end of the road, but i think he may fight and try to make them go to court as has been the case with every other witness so far. >> as you mentioned flynn's new attorney has the trump stamp of approval. we've got this tweet, general michael flynn, the 33 year war hero who served with distinction has not retained a good lawyer. he has retained a great lawyer. sidney powell, best wishes and good luck to them both. what's the...
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john dowd telling flynn's lawyer, remember how the president feels about michael flynn.important is something that the mueller team looked at because they were wondering if they were trying to somehow sway michael flynn's cooperation. >> right. the suggestion being, of course, that maybe he would pardon michael flynn. everyone, let's weigh in on this. there's a lot of flynn news today, surprisingly. first of all, what do you make of this as somebody who covers the white house day in, day out? i'm kind of surprised that the president's attorney would say something like this on a voice mail message. it doesn't seem the wisest lawyering. >> yeah, floating the possibility of a pardon, i mean, he -- >> he denies that. >> but that's effectively what the effect is there. to do that on a voice mail is stunning. beyond the notion of floating a pardon, also you're hearing the president's attorney here saying if you're going to implicate the president in a crime, which why is a lawyer for the president, would you be -- implicates the president? this takes me back to those days we'r
john dowd telling flynn's lawyer, remember how the president feels about michael flynn.important is something that the mueller team looked at because they were wondering if they were trying to somehow sway michael flynn's cooperation. >> right. the suggestion being, of course, that maybe he would pardon michael flynn. everyone, let's weigh in on this. there's a lot of flynn news today, surprisingly. first of all, what do you make of this as somebody who covers the white house day in, day...
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that's why flynn's sentencing was delayed.he government's perceived possibly not complying with the order could add more intrigue to flynn's sentencing and the level of cooperation that judge sullivan perceives. >> i want to go now to the former special counsel robert mueller and attorney general william barr. they made contradicting statements as barr stood behind the president's actions mentioned in the report. let's listen to that. >> many instances would not amount to obstruction. >> when a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators it strikes at the core of the government's effort to find the truth. >> there was no obstruction. >> if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. >> we didn't agree with the legal analysis. >> charging the president with a crime was not an option we could consider. >> there was no obstruction. >> it is important that the office's written work speak for itself. >> danny, do you think his public statement was
that's why flynn's sentencing was delayed.he government's perceived possibly not complying with the order could add more intrigue to flynn's sentencing and the level of cooperation that judge sullivan perceives. >> i want to go now to the former special counsel robert mueller and attorney general william barr. they made contradicting statements as barr stood behind the president's actions mentioned in the report. let's listen to that. >> many instances would not amount to...
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you have to remember flynn's situation.n he went into sentencing originally he was the best candidate possible for probation only sentence. his guideline range was zero to six months. the government, the prosecutors recommended a low end sentence, that's zero months. he was a slam dunk for a probation sentence. he gets to the sentencing and the judge says no, no, not so fast. i might consider giving you prison time. his mind must have been reeling. months on he may blame his terms for characterizing what the government did as harassing him or persuading him or harbinto cooperating. i'm not so sure he'll back out of the plea deal. everything in his conduct has been setting himself up to gate probation only sentence and spend zero time in jail. >>> let's talk about this john dowd tape. he was the best attorney the president of the united states could get at the time. to the substance of the tape, what impact could the release of this voice mail will have in flynn's criminal case? >> not so much in flynn's criminal case but gl
you have to remember flynn's situation.n he went into sentencing originally he was the best candidate possible for probation only sentence. his guideline range was zero to six months. the government, the prosecutors recommended a low end sentence, that's zero months. he was a slam dunk for a probation sentence. he gets to the sentencing and the judge says no, no, not so fast. i might consider giving you prison time. his mind must have been reeling. months on he may blame his terms for...
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evan, we now have the voice mail, president trump's attorney left for flynn's attorney.his out for us, please? >> that's right, don. let me set the table just a little bit. this is from november 2017, mike flynn has just agreed to start cooperating with the prosecutors from the special counsel's office and john dowd is worried. take a listen to him. >> hey, rob. this is john again. maybe i'm sympathetic, i understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- wouldn't surprise me if you'd gone to make a deal and work with the government. i understand that you can't join the joint defense. that's one thing. if, on the other hand, we have -- there's information that implicates the president, then we've got a national security issue or maybe a national security issue. i don't know. some issue we've got to deal with, not only for the president but for the country. so, you know, then, you know, we need some kind of heads up. just for the sake of protecting all our interests, if we can, without you having to give up any confidential info
evan, we now have the voice mail, president trump's attorney left for flynn's attorney.his out for us, please? >> that's right, don. let me set the table just a little bit. this is from november 2017, mike flynn has just agreed to start cooperating with the prosecutors from the special counsel's office and john dowd is worried. take a listen to him. >> hey, rob. this is john again. maybe i'm sympathetic, i understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker...
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this is to flynn's attorney.heads-up and dowd wanted to remind flynn about this, quote. former special assistant to robert mueller and cnn legal annist michael zelldin joins me. >> what mueller said in his report was he had no way of knowing whether or not the president was the one who asked attorney dowd his private counsel to reach out to flynn and he said issues of attorney general client privilege prevented him from that. i think because mueller has decided he can't breach attorney-client privilege there is nothing that will legally implicate the president. >> it's not physical but hard to find it ethically responsible to have the attorney for the president remind michael flynn's attorney general what high regards he holds, michael flynn, and ask for a heads-up whether he is cooperateding with the investigation? >> that's right. the part that is problematic may not be obstruction of justice, but has an uncomfortable feel to it is the call from the attorney which says, essentially, we don't know whether you're
this is to flynn's attorney.heads-up and dowd wanted to remind flynn about this, quote. former special assistant to robert mueller and cnn legal annist michael zelldin joins me. >> what mueller said in his report was he had no way of knowing whether or not the president was the one who asked attorney dowd his private counsel to reach out to flynn and he said issues of attorney general client privilege prevented him from that. i think because mueller has decided he can't breach...
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because of flynn hiring that lawyer, there's been a lot of speculation that flynn might have hired that lawyer because he's trying to persuade the president to give him a pardon. this isn't the kind of lawyer you would hire to persuade that judge to give you a light sentence. we've been watching this over the course of this week, for signs that any sort of pardon effort might be coming from flynn. today we got a pretty good sign. the president's first tweet of the day praising flynn for hiring this great flu lawyer. a presidential thumbs up for mike flynn. the president has so far not pardoned anybody in connection with the russia scandal but it does feel like those are the train tracks being laid down in the flynn case. watch this space. stay with us. the flynn case watch this space stay with us e ocean. just listen. (vo) there's so much we want to show her. we needed a car that would last long enough to see it all. (avo) subaru outback. ninety eight percent are still on the road after 10 years. come on mom, let's go! nueven if you try to eat well,. you might fall short in key nutrient
because of flynn hiring that lawyer, there's been a lot of speculation that flynn might have hired that lawyer because he's trying to persuade the president to give him a pardon. this isn't the kind of lawyer you would hire to persuade that judge to give you a light sentence. we've been watching this over the course of this week, for signs that any sort of pardon effort might be coming from flynn. today we got a pretty good sign. the president's first tweet of the day praising flynn for hiring...
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i am not sure exactly what is going on with flynn, but for starters, mike flynn fired his lawyers todayese are the lawyers who have represented him the whole year and a half he's been cooperating with prosecutors. he's at the very tail end of his case. he's about to be sentenced, but, boom, today, his lawyers were gone, and i don't know if these things are connected, but today also by order of the judge in this case, we got a release of the audio recording of a voicemail that president trump's lawyer left for mike flynn's lawyer right before flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi and started cooperating with prosecutors. this voicemail was about how the president's lawyer needed to know what flynn had to say to prosecutors that would implicate the president. >> hey, rob, this is john again. maybe i -- i'm sympathetic. i understand your situation, but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- and it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. i understand that you can't join the joint defense, so that's one thing. if, on t
i am not sure exactly what is going on with flynn, but for starters, mike flynn fired his lawyers todayese are the lawyers who have represented him the whole year and a half he's been cooperating with prosecutors. he's at the very tail end of his case. he's about to be sentenced, but, boom, today, his lawyers were gone, and i don't know if these things are connected, but today also by order of the judge in this case, we got a release of the audio recording of a voicemail that president trump's...
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one is the request for a heads-up if flynn is going to cooperate. that is a request to continue to share information even if michael flynn is engaged in a cooperation agreement with the government. which would be in violation of that agreement. >> can i stop you there for the audience? if people are engaged in a joint defense agreement and one of those people decides okay, i've just made my decision. i'm going to go cooperate with the prosecutors. can that person alert the other defendants that he was basically had joined forces with i'm leaving the group, i'm going to cooperate with the prosecutors? >> yeah, typically they do say i'm leaving the group. they don't often say it's because i'm cooperating with the prosecutors. most people understand that's what that means. so the agreement is dictated by the terms of their agreement and it can say whatever they want it to say. typically when someone withdraws the most common assumption is that that person is going to cooperate. but to ask them to continue to provide information even after they have wit
one is the request for a heads-up if flynn is going to cooperate. that is a request to continue to share information even if michael flynn is engaged in a cooperation agreement with the government. which would be in violation of that agreement. >> can i stop you there for the audience? if people are engaged in a joint defense agreement and one of those people decides okay, i've just made my decision. i'm going to go cooperate with the prosecutors. can that person alert the other...
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aunt tonight, my advice to general flynn. get new lawyers and move forward with your legal team, and withdraw that plea and fight this in court. you do not deserve the set up that was comey and mccabe. that's a despicable disgrace what they did to him. no collusion, no conspiracy from trump or anyone on his campaign. an american's hero's reputation should not be destroyed by people with power bragging about abusing that power on tape. it's a disgusting display of abuse of power. here now ranking member of the house intelligence committee devin nunes and sarah carter. congressman i listen to comey and what mccabe said to him. knowing they leaked raw intelligence. i am saying if america treats our heroes this way, we do not have a democratic republic. anymore. he needs to fight it and withdraw the plea and go after comey and mccabe for setting him up.or they abused their powers. >> what i would say, sean sin the future when you look up the word dirty cop, if you have a free internet. youu will see the pictures of comey and mcca
aunt tonight, my advice to general flynn. get new lawyers and move forward with your legal team, and withdraw that plea and fight this in court. you do not deserve the set up that was comey and mccabe. that's a despicable disgrace what they did to him. no collusion, no conspiracy from trump or anyone on his campaign. an american's hero's reputation should not be destroyed by people with power bragging about abusing that power on tape. it's a disgusting display of abuse of power. here now...
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these are the calls about which flynn later pled guilty to lying to the fbi about them.the dealt for federal prosecutors to have complied with that order and released the transcript of flynn's conversations with the russians was this past friday. sort of amazingly prosecutors didn't comply with that court order. they didn't release the transcript of flynn's conversations with the russian government. judges don't tend to like it when lawyers don't do what they're told to do by court order. the judge in flynn's case in particular, emmett sullivan, beyond i think the way judges would typically feel about their orders not being followed, judge sullivan in particular has a reputation for not suffering any shenanigans in his courtroom or in his cases. but since the prosecutors hit that deadline on friday and refused to release that information about flynn despite the court order, we have been expecting a response from judge sullivan. thus far we have not yet seen one. but we're sort of on tenterhooks waiting for that to happen. another thing we've been watching for today is wh
these are the calls about which flynn later pled guilty to lying to the fbi about them.the dealt for federal prosecutors to have complied with that order and released the transcript of flynn's conversations with the russians was this past friday. sort of amazingly prosecutors didn't comply with that court order. they didn't release the transcript of flynn's conversations with the russian government. judges don't tend to like it when lawyers don't do what they're told to do by court order. the...
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flynn's counsel told the president's personal counsel that flynn could no longer have confidential communications with the white house or president. later that night, the president's personal counsel left a voicemail. professor vance can they communicate after a joint counsel agreement is no longer in effect. ms. vance: i hate to discuss this. but this tape recordic that we now had the opportunity to hear is to say the least extremely unusual. and this frankly is one of the jobs that you have the opportunity to complete as this conduct continues and more evidence comes to light to determine whether there is any conduct that constitutes a high crime or misdemeanor, what did the president know, was he involved in the placement of this call. those questions still need to be answered. ms. scanlon: voicemail recording that you referenced was recently made public through the court. but i would like to read it as printed on page 121. i understand your situation, but let me say if i can't state it in starker terms. it wouldn't surprise me if you made a deal with the government. then we have a national se
flynn's counsel told the president's personal counsel that flynn could no longer have confidential communications with the white house or president. later that night, the president's personal counsel left a voicemail. professor vance can they communicate after a joint counsel agreement is no longer in effect. ms. vance: i hate to discuss this. but this tape recordic that we now had the opportunity to hear is to say the least extremely unusual. and this frankly is one of the jobs that you have...
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flynn first got in trouble for lying to fbi agents about this very conversation.guilty to lying about it. so everyone has wanted to know what the heck did they talk about? but, and here's where things got really strange today. despite the judge's direct order, we do not have that transcript. the government, the department of justice, is ignoring the judge, declining to release it, saying only the government further represents it is not relying on any of the recordings or any other person for purposes of establishing the defendant's guilt or determining its sentence nor are there any other recordings that are part of the sentencing record. joining me now, natasha bertrand and carol lamb, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of california, also served as a superior court judge in san diego. carol, let me begin with you as someone who once served as a judge. is this as strange as it appears, that the department of justice in this filing is just essentially telling the judge they're not going to give him the thing that he told them to turn over? >> yeah, chr
flynn first got in trouble for lying to fbi agents about this very conversation.guilty to lying about it. so everyone has wanted to know what the heck did they talk about? but, and here's where things got really strange today. despite the judge's direct order, we do not have that transcript. the government, the department of justice, is ignoring the judge, declining to release it, saying only the government further represents it is not relying on any of the recordings or any other person for...
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and jared kushner and mike flynn. after the inauguration, during the first year of the trump administration. this guy was also reported to have spent lots of time at the trump white house, including multiple visits to steve bannon's office just off the oval. his name was george nader. and his criminal history included multiple convictions for child pornography and child molestation in two countries, resulting in at least two prison sentences. so when elliott broidy, the guy who had narrowly avoided prison in the new york state bribery scheme, and george nader, the multiply convicted child pornography and child molestation guy, when they met up at trump inaugural, that was clearly a match made somewhere other than heaven. but they hit it off. and those two men, after meeting at the trump inaugural, reportedly decided they would go into a kind of business together. because george nader had long-standing connections to two gulf monarchies, to the united arab emirates and saudi arabia, those two countries quite near qatar
and jared kushner and mike flynn. after the inauguration, during the first year of the trump administration. this guy was also reported to have spent lots of time at the trump white house, including multiple visits to steve bannon's office just off the oval. his name was george nader. and his criminal history included multiple convictions for child pornography and child molestation in two countries, resulting in at least two prison sentences. so when elliott broidy, the guy who had narrowly...
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because of flynn hiring that lawyer, there's been a lot of speculation that flynn might have hired thatause he's trying to persuade the president to give him a pardon. this isn't the kind of lawyer you would hire to persuade that judge to give you a light sentence. we've been watching this over the course of this week, watching for signs that any sort of a pardon effort might be coming from flynn. today we got a pretty good sign. the president's first tweet of the day praising flynn for hiring this great new lawyer. a presidential thumbs up for mike flynn. the president has so far not pardoned anybody in connection with the russia scandal but it does feel like those are the train tracks being laid down in the flynn case. so watch this space. stay with us. ♪ hoo - with tripadvisor, it's easy to discover and book amazing things to do, wherever you're headed. including hidden gems that can really make your trip one of a kind, so you can enjoy the best of the best-kept secrets. ♪ hoo - book things to do, on tripadvisor. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layer
because of flynn hiring that lawyer, there's been a lot of speculation that flynn might have hired thatause he's trying to persuade the president to give him a pardon. this isn't the kind of lawyer you would hire to persuade that judge to give you a light sentence. we've been watching this over the course of this week, watching for signs that any sort of a pardon effort might be coming from flynn. today we got a pretty good sign. the president's first tweet of the day praising flynn for hiring...
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in the message he said he understands flynn's compromise. it is position. saying it would not surprise me if you gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. he also asked for a heads up the former national security advisor intended to give mueller information that could hurt president trump. saying if on the other hand there is information that implicates the president did we've got a national security issue or may be a national security issue. we need some kind of has a. just for the sake of protecting all our interest. he concludes with a friendly reminder. saying remember what we have already said about the president and his feelings toward flynn. that still remains. but in any event let me know and i appreciate your looking into. voicemail and the special counsel's probe in the first place was politically driven. writing this is clearly a baseless political document designed to smear and damage the reputation of counsel and innocent peopl all of this results from that instructed government prosecutors to file a whole mess of documents incl
in the message he said he understands flynn's compromise. it is position. saying it would not surprise me if you gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. he also asked for a heads up the former national security advisor intended to give mueller information that could hurt president trump. saying if on the other hand there is information that implicates the president did we've got a national security issue or may be a national security issue. we need some kind of has a. just for...
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i think flynn is, you know, going down a different path. he thinks, well, if i'm going to go to jail with this judge then i might as well roll the dice on a pardon, and trump is certainly signaling that he is amenable to that by that tweet. i thought that tweet was astonishing because, first of all, he supposedly fired flynn because he was not an honest man who lied to the vice president. for him to now go back -- he's doing the dance that he did with manafort and with cohen, oh, he's a good man, he's a good man. he's holding out something for him now, the possibility of the pardon, and this at a time when flynn is being subpoenaed to congress. there is still very much flynn could do in his cooperation, in his testimony now with congress. and trump knows that. and i think this is his way of holding out this pardon, holding out the possibility. it hasn't worked out for manafort so i don't know why flynn would trust him. manafort is sitting in jail. but that seems to be where this is going. >> and peter baker, the other news of this day, the
i think flynn is, you know, going down a different path. he thinks, well, if i'm going to go to jail with this judge then i might as well roll the dice on a pardon, and trump is certainly signaling that he is amenable to that by that tweet. i thought that tweet was astonishing because, first of all, he supposedly fired flynn because he was not an honest man who lied to the vice president. for him to now go back -- he's doing the dance that he did with manafort and with cohen, oh, he's a good...
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, and asked for a heads up, if flynn knew going damaging about the president. your reaction to that, jim. >> well, that's the delicate walk kind of a fine line that someone is cooperating. maybe having quite genuine concern, saying, hey, there might be some national security things, that you are going to spill over to the government that we should know about. i don't think there's any too fe naruous to read into. it's a difficult spoot to be in. and weather his motives were particularly sinister, is a hard question to answer. >> charles. final thoughts. >> i think that fishing is what was happening. they're fishing to find out what kind of new allegations are generation of games happen that they do know about. and are afraid are going to come out. i think we're looking at an incredibly corrupted administration to cover up their wrong doing and trying to distract with basically a shell game of this investigation into another investigation so that we have got too many investigation ask & it makes it harder for the american people to actually focus on what's impor
, and asked for a heads up, if flynn knew going damaging about the president. your reaction to that, jim. >> well, that's the delicate walk kind of a fine line that someone is cooperating. maybe having quite genuine concern, saying, hey, there might be some national security things, that you are going to spill over to the government that we should know about. i don't think there's any too fe naruous to read into. it's a difficult spoot to be in. and weather his motives were particularly...
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the judge in mike flynn's case in addition to ordering the release of those transcripts of flynn talking to the russians he also ordered tomorrow the justice department has to release all the stuff currently blacked out in the mueller report that has anything to do with mike flynn. all of that stuff has to be unredacted and released to the public tomorrow. despite the attorney general saying, no, no, no-no way, no how by tomorrow some of those redactions are going to be removed and we the public will get access to that part of the rorlt by order of a federal judge. and while we're at it also tomorrow at 9:30 a.m., robert mueller's grand jury is finally going to get testimony from a recalcitrant witness who's been fighting tooth and nail for like a year to try pleas to not testify, to not have to turn up and talk to the grand jury despite a subpoena from mueller's prosecutors order him to do just that. andrew miller is a young man who worked with roger stone. he's been fighting for almost a year now to not respond to a grand jury subpoena that orders him to testify to mueller's grand jury
the judge in mike flynn's case in addition to ordering the release of those transcripts of flynn talking to the russians he also ordered tomorrow the justice department has to release all the stuff currently blacked out in the mueller report that has anything to do with mike flynn. all of that stuff has to be unredacted and released to the public tomorrow. despite the attorney general saying, no, no, no-no way, no how by tomorrow some of those redactions are going to be removed and we the...
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in the president's feelings towards flynn?in the context, it sounds if it's the former meaning you're going to have to give confidential information, you're going to have to cooperate. if you're cooperating, i want you to remember that the president likes you, wink wink. so that's problematic. you should not be trying to send some message to somebody who is cooperating. then when you add to that, christi, what's in the mueller report of the next conversation. if you confirm from the agreement and apparently dowd at that point is indignant. that's what the report says. that's really troubling. >> i want to ask you about the transcript of flynn's calls with russia. because the doj is refusing to hand those transcripts over. even though they were ordered to file them publicly. what obligation is there for them to do so? will that eventually happen? >> i think it will eventually happen. i read they're pleading which i thought was a little bit cryptic. i'm not sure why they didn't give more explanations for their refusa refusal. it
in the president's feelings towards flynn?in the context, it sounds if it's the former meaning you're going to have to give confidential information, you're going to have to cooperate. if you're cooperating, i want you to remember that the president likes you, wink wink. so that's problematic. you should not be trying to send some message to somebody who is cooperating. then when you add to that, christi, what's in the mueller report of the next conversation. if you confirm from the agreement...
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flynn is just going to be sentenced. he has pled guilty. the post argued that many records needed to be unsealed. the government agreed to release some. and then the judge on his own ordered that this transcript of this very controversial call and a very dramatic one according to national security experts who had to review it, that it should be made public. the public should hear what the judge loosely described in court as the moment when he believed flynn had sort of -- i think you sold your country out, sir. and he wanted the public to hear this. for him to now accept that the government doesn't believe it's relevant to sentencing, doesn't believe it's necessary to sentence michael flynn is very, very surprising to me. and i wonder if perhaps the government has had a conversation explaining maybe the sensitivities of this conversation, that there is something else that kislyak says or some precedent set by sharing a phone call. i don't know the answer. i do find it surprising. >> do we not think the judge would have said in some verbiage
flynn is just going to be sentenced. he has pled guilty. the post argued that many records needed to be unsealed. the government agreed to release some. and then the judge on his own ordered that this transcript of this very controversial call and a very dramatic one according to national security experts who had to review it, that it should be made public. the public should hear what the judge loosely described in court as the moment when he believed flynn had sort of -- i think you sold your...
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flynn's crime and strongly recommended that flynn reconsider how much cooperating would be enough to the kind of light sentence that prosecutors would be asking for. flynn consulted with his attorneys and took the judge's advice. since then flynn has fired his attorneys and hired new counsel straight off the fox news lineup, one of whom has spent a lot of air time criticizing the mueller investigation as a deep state conspiracy. so that new lawyer now says she needs 60 days to get up to speed. she has a voluminous amount of material to read which makes sense given how the last sentencing hearing went. it makes sense if flynn has jettisoned his team in order to pursue a new legal strategy like, i don't know, maybe a presidential pardon? time will tell and time is what flynn's new lawyer is speaking. watch this space. wow! that's ensure max protein, with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nic
flynn's crime and strongly recommended that flynn reconsider how much cooperating would be enough to the kind of light sentence that prosecutors would be asking for. flynn consulted with his attorneys and took the judge's advice. since then flynn has fired his attorneys and hired new counsel straight off the fox news lineup, one of whom has spent a lot of air time criticizing the mueller investigation as a deep state conspiracy. so that new lawyer now says she needs 60 days to get up to speed....
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a transcript of a voicemail left by trump's former attorney for michael flynn's lawyer. much of that information was already revealed in mueller's report, but there's some new material and some context in this new transcript. we will read it out for you in just a moment. also, today, we heard more from attorney general bill barr and his critiques of the special counsel's work. his friend of several decades. in his cbs news interview this week on a trip to alaska, barr, again, made it clear that he's standing by this president who appointed him. >> one of the ironies today is that people are saying that it's president trump that's shredding our institutions. i really see no evidence of that. from my perspective, the idea of resisting a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him and, you know, really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president, that's where the shredding of our norms and our institutions is occurring. my experience with the president is we have a good professional working relationship. i don't think
a transcript of a voicemail left by trump's former attorney for michael flynn's lawyer. much of that information was already revealed in mueller's report, but there's some new material and some context in this new transcript. we will read it out for you in just a moment. also, today, we heard more from attorney general bill barr and his critiques of the special counsel's work. his friend of several decades. in his cbs news interview this week on a trip to alaska, barr, again, made it clear that...
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and i don't think he had to go arthro. >> eric tucker, take to us the flynn case. when was the last time as someone who covered this line of work you remember the feds saying straight up, no to a federal judge's make public order? >> it was a fascinating court filing because there wasn't actually that much of a reason that was given for why the justice department was not going to comply with that order. so it was striking and of course this is the judge who made clear that he expects the parties before him to listen to him and abide by his orders. but by the flipside it's actually not that surprising the justice department took this position, because they have never confirmed the existence of the flynn wire tap to begin with. so the idea that they were put onto the public docket a full transcript of the wire tap seems unusual. >> hey, elliott, there was a song in the time of our parents and grandparents called is that all there is? for people on the left side of the docket who are looking at the mueller effort in the rear view mirror, wondering, is that all there i
and i don't think he had to go arthro. >> eric tucker, take to us the flynn case. when was the last time as someone who covered this line of work you remember the feds saying straight up, no to a federal judge's make public order? >> it was a fascinating court filing because there wasn't actually that much of a reason that was given for why the justice department was not going to comply with that order. so it was striking and of course this is the judge who made clear that he...
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transcripts from the voice mail from a trump lawyer to michael flynn's team. what did they discuss? we will get reaction to that next. this is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the vacation rental which led to the discovery that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. expedia. everything you need to go. expedia. what do all these people have in common, limu?oug [ paper rustling ] exactly, nothing. they're completely different people, that's why they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual. they'll only pay for what they need! [ gargling ] [ coins hitting the desk ] yes, and they could save a ton. you've done it again, limu. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ you guys be good i'llshe's gone.ter. it's a dangerous world. ah! [ grunt ] whoo-hoo! pops are your friends going to die? pickles don't be so dramatic. but yes probably. there they are. aww! whaa , whaa, ahh! >>> back now with with the breaking news on the shooting in virginia beach. 12 people have been killed. four others wounded. it happened late in
transcripts from the voice mail from a trump lawyer to michael flynn's team. what did they discuss? we will get reaction to that next. this is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the vacation rental which led to the discovery that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. expedia. everything you need to go. expedia. what do all these people have in common, limu?oug [ paper rustling ] exactly, nothing. they're completely different people, that's why they need...
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at the end he is trying to remind michael flynn's the feelings the president had at the time. he was expressing warm feelings, saying he was a great guy. it was unfortunate to leave the white house. it was john dowd to remind the attorney, hey, the president thinks highly of this guy. the subtext not to. >> is this the kind of so-called underlying evidence sarah that democrats are fighting to obtain? because, actually, hearing something, seeing something is different tan reading about it? >> i think it is, this is this voicemail. it's written in the mueller report. we seen the transcript. but it is a different thing to hear someone you know to have been an attorney for the president making this pitch. i think democrats in particular are banking on the fact that most of the american public have not read the mueller report in detail. they might listen if these people testify and that might change people's minds about impeachment or whether they want to vote for the president in 2020. >> cnn has new information about how the president's former lawyer and fixer michael cohen is do
at the end he is trying to remind michael flynn's the feelings the president had at the time. he was expressing warm feelings, saying he was a great guy. it was unfortunate to leave the white house. it was john dowd to remind the attorney, hey, the president thinks highly of this guy. the subtext not to. >> is this the kind of so-called underlying evidence sarah that democrats are fighting to obtain? because, actually, hearing something, seeing something is different tan reading about it?...