friends fo blagojevich. that was the key what was a criminal enterprise for the benefit of personal benefit and politacal benefit of fraud blagojevich when you put that national fund-raising operation and take other, most people who wanted to purchase a page in illinois government got part of the access by contributg to the political campaig that is what send him down the road to ruin. >> host: you have to sl yourself to a national audience and you cannot raise enough monefor a presidential campaign. weaw how much they hado spend. >> guest: he was doing a pretty good job. >> host: you can have enough to re-elect but the idea to raise your way into the white house? >> guest: he wanted to build a naonal fund-raising operation. when he spoke to joe kerry who pled guilty to corruption, he was a fund-raiser for al re, bill clinton, and a ver prominent national democrat from the chicago. blagojevich turnedo him how to put together aational fund-raising operation in about e third yearr second year of the firsterm. h