i wasn't sure of the answer, but did commissioner folley get recused for all of the mills act? >> clerk: they were taking up -- oh, i'll have to look into that. >> okay. okay. >> clerk: [ overlapping speakers ] -- >> i just wanted to make sure that was correct. >> clerk: actually, the correction for calling the meeting to order would be vice president matsuda because it was a joint hearing. >> oh, okay. any other comments? >> yes. this pertains only to the minutes of the joint meeting. it did seem to me that the minutes as worded are more like an announcement, what is going to happen, rather than a recitation of what did happen. i don't know whether that is the customary format, but it did strike me as unusual. >> [ indiscernible ] -- >> thank you, commissioners. [ roll call ]]. >> clerk: so moved, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously 7-0. just on that comment, the minutes generally basically list the item as they were agendaized and then note the speakers following. >> no, i understand. it was more the verbs. >> clerk: okay. very good commissioners. that will place us