> one of the things the governor says is it shouldn't be competing with yale and harvard and star fonford. we should be trying to be the best public universities. we shouldn't be raising tuitions to the point where we're luring that level of chancellor or whatever it may be. what is your response? >> i disagree. this university was designed under the master plan to give students in california the opportunity to get that quality education and not have to go 3,000 miles away. when you look at what's happened in california with the university of california, and we have some small elite colleges, small in terms of size, cal-tech, and stanford compared to uc is small, and the synergy now with the backbone of the university of california and a few smaller colleges, that's a different model than you have on the east coast. the whole idea behind creating the university of california was to say, you know what, we should have a public university that is as good or better. it should have public-level tuition and costs, and it should give california the ability to compete. >> but as you know, some of