and in ordero keep these people on foodtamps, we got to -- >> and creating a sense of depeppedency from fdr and bill clinton and senators . this is not just republicans and conservatives. >> that is it a valid. if you want to reform welfare to resolve the problems that you are raising. they are valid problems . we will not mix it up b condemning people who need help right now because times are bad. people need to fee their families. >> but victoria. are we advocating policiless at keep poor people poor? >> i think we are. rick to your point about families. the oama stimulus plan made it easier for childless jobless people to get on the food stamp program. we should revisit that now. the scary fact. looking at a 30 year period. only two presidents that have reduced the anticipation rate of the food stamp is clinton, bless hiseart and reagan: >> when you look at what this particular administration ha done a. you can see a lot of policiless to dismantle the attempt to get bac to work fare that we saw inhe clinton administration, right? >> yeah, but victoria's point about reagan and clinton