in footland, that government, basically it ran out of money in 2008.s security forces and, really, it's ability to control its coast completely collapsed. so you had basically a situation where thing was not at chaotic as in the south, warlords, islamics, those who make running a business very difficult. at the same time, the government had no money to pay security forces. couldn't do anything. that's why you had -- >> yeah, okay. i'm sorry. i didn't mean to interrupt. >> that's why it exploded at that specific juncture as in 2008, versus a year in -- >> right. so would it be fair -- fair to say that a necessary pre-condition for this type of activity, or exasperating precondition may be the poverty, but it is only then with access opportunity and safe operating scheme that that -- there's lots of poor countries, as your point is, lots of poor countries and they don't have any pirates. your point, it's not just poverty. poverty may be a pre-condition but it takes more than that to end up where we are. is that a fair interpretation? >> yeah. absolutely.