for 2 as a result folks lock in has slowed production down in germany ford nixon and fi at chrysler have taken similar measures let's talk a little bit about all of that now and i'm joined with ana marie abased and she's head of country risk and industry research and fitch solutions in a fog in the united kingdom good to have you with us so could you 1st of all tell us a bit more about the scale of disruption that comic has currently experiencing. yes good morning this is global disruption as far as the carmakers are concerned we're hearing reports of their operations in asia in year in north america all being disrupted for some of them they're able to just close for a day some they're just reducing hours at some of their factories and for some they're closed longer term and of course this comes at a time when they're trying to increase their sales because sales are starting to take again after the pandemic and so we're also seeing reports of some carmakers trying to be strategic in how they allocate the chips that they do have so ford for example gave an example day in north america it'

up next on the presidency, historian carl and the looks at how the fashion choices of pat nixon and betty ford reflected the politics and culture other times. mr. anthony's a author on a book of first ladies and fashion, this top is one of a series. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, i am the richard nixon advanced director. i am honored to introduce today speaker. the nixon library has presented first lady's exhibits before. and offered lectures on these topics. but we had not tackled the project of offering a first lady's exhibit and luncheon and lecture series combined. when coordinating concept, we analyze the needs, we noticed the needs of a specialized guest curator. carl anthony is one of the nations foremost experts on wives and their families. he has penned over doesn't books, he has interviewed the clintons, laura bush, as well as the nixon's and forts. his accolades are vast and many. the staff of the presidential library have enjoyed along friendship and professional relationship with him, in many ways we considering part of the family. when wec;lçr called him back in april to br

up next on the presidency, historian carl looks at how the path fashion choices of pat nixon and betty ford reflected the culture and politics of their times. this top is one of a series. the richard nixon foundation hosted this 50-minute event. i am honored to introduce today speaker. the nixon library has represented first ladies before, and offered similar topics, but we haven't offered a first lady's exhibit, and luncheon, and lecture series all combined. when planning and coordinating the concept we analyze that and noted the need for a special live coordinator, carl sferrazza anthony is one of the foremost -- he's had the privilege of interviewing the, clintons laura, bush as well as the forwards, his athletes are vast and many. the staff of the nixon foundation and the library have enjoyed a long friendship and professional relationship with carl. in many ways, we consider you part of the family, carl. when we called him back in april, two proposed idea of a first lady's exhibit, luncheon, series, his enthusiasm was contagious. in five months, five, months that concept has become a r

there were no more hats worn, at least in the display here, by pat nixon or betty ford. at the time period of no more hats? >> you are very observant and very spot-on correct. pat nixon -- ladybird johnson wore a hat famously to her husband's 1965 inauguration, the swearing-in ceremony. she was the first to hold the bible. i'm glad you mentioned it. that set a precedent. there's only so much you can mention, but there's a lot of little things mrs. nixon did in terms of her choices of what she wore that indicated this really, frankly, independent streak that she was to going to do things h way. actually, the hats started back again with hillary clinton, but it was as a sun protector. so it's sort of funny. hillary, who is so associated with being involved with policy rather than clothing and fashion, brings back the hat for first ladies, but as a form of sun protection. we will take one last question. afterwards i'll ask that you follow our docents where we will have lunch. >> who would you consider the best first lady that dressed of all time, and secondly, who would you

reportedly said the big difference between him and nixon is that trump can't count on vice president mike pence to pardon him like president gerald fordid nixon. so how remarkable do you think is trump's pence/ford comparison, given the fact that trump incited an angry mob to go after his own vice president at the capitol? >> well, i don't think he has much reason to think that pence has warm feelings about him. he knows exactly what happened. they've obviously had that very strained conversation midweek this last week to try to patch things up. reports are it was pretty chilly. pence has taken the forward look, and he's the person out front now. he called vice president-elect harris and congratulated her. he's actually trying to put a face on the fact that there is some remaining government. but you know, back to the nixon issue. nixon has a legacy. he had a real legacy from his creation of the epa, the environmental protection agency, to his war on congress, or excuse me, his war on cancer, to a lot of policies that have had a lot of longevity. and trump has virtually nothing. he has a tax cut that the congress had already had in th

i think of you healing gesture breathing there's a parallel between ford, nixon, biden, trump just in that it would demonstrate some goodwill towards the other side. before nixon's vice president. >> that matters. before their massive differences here. everyone to compare everything in washington, every scandal to watergate. >> of course this is bigger then watergate for its all big and then watered a pizza milton burrell says. [laughter] before so laura fink, you are not pleased with james comey either. did he need to insert himself into this discussion? >> i mean does he ever need to insert himself into this discussion? if he hadn't in 2016 and might be in a different place. what you all are proving is the only unity that james comey knows about is the ability to unify very different people who dislike james comey. he said that again today. one of the problems here is with the blanket pardon and i appreciate the argument as to admission of guilt. it also is so you're not immune from prosecution simply because you are in politics. because you are the president per think that such a t

so if we look back at nixon and ford, remember when nixon left the white house president ford even thoughxon was uncharged. pardon him so trump can pardon these writers and from the rhetoric that president trump would fourth yesterday, i've got to think yes, he's going to pardon them, no matter what they're charged with. okay, so to that end, president trump clearly incited this violence with the speech he gave yesterday and his continued rhetoric urging supporters to go to the capital yesterday as the debate was happening over the electoral college results. what about any potential criminal charges or criminal exposure for the president himself? well, certainly, as you said, a lot of us think that he did commit sedition. i mean, he enable those people the writers, he tells them go ahead to the capital. we love you. you're very special. do what you need to do. so did he commit that crime? yes. so again, that then begs the question. will he be charged after he leaves office? but before he leaves office, can he pardoned himself and the answer to that by a lot of legal scholars, although som

up next on the presidency, historian carl looks at how the path fashion choices of pat nixon and betty ford culture and politics of their times. this top is one of a series. the richard nixon foundation hosted this 50-minute event.

nixon's name, right? and incredibly telling people around him that he couldn't count on mike pence. mike pence, his loyal vice president, to pardon him the way gerald fordardoned nixon. lots to discuss now. cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger is here, and our white house correspondent kaitlin collins is here. soon to be chief, am i correct? >> not until wednesday. >> oh, you will be inaugurated on wednesday. i will be watching the ceremony, the celebration. okay, good to see both of you. and kaitlin, congratulations. so let's start with you soon to be chief white house correspondent. you're learning the president is consumed with thun raveling of his presidency and exploding with any comparison to nixon. tell me about that. >> yeah, the president doesn't want anybody to bring up richard nixon or any kind of situation like that. he says he's not going to be resigning. there was a casual conversation about it this week as they've been talking about of course how quickly things have been unraveling at the white house. but we're told by sources that the president completely shut that done immediately. he told people do not bring up richard nixon. in

up next on the presidency, historian carl and the looks at how the fashion choices of pat nixon and betty fordected the politics and culture other times. mr. anthony's a author on a book of first ladies and fashion, this top is one of a series. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, i am the richard nixon advanced director. i am honored to introduce today speaker. the nixon library has presented first lady's exhibits before. and offered lectures on these topics. but we had not tackled the project of offering a first lady's exhibit and luncheon and lecture series combined. when coordinating concept, we analyze the needs, we noticed the needs of

were tradition this did not happen with richard nixon jerm ford pardoned richard nixon not. richard nixon didn't porton himself so that is going to be a big issue here because it could well be that he will. get that what when bottom self fawell can you just say anything you've done. if you go yes yes the precedents for presidential pardons go back to george washington and there have been a number of occasions in american history in which the president pardoned very large groups of people for any crime that they might have committed rights that will so this goes back to the royal prerogative of britain. so that we ever see that as a public entity we shouldn't beat it we shouldn't focus too much on trump right now . that's what he wants us to do we should be focusing on biden and the extreme importance of the fact that the show he same day. the democrats won true sheets of the senate in georgia which means that the democratic party will be in control of both chambers of congress and the presidency and so that's going to leave biden and permit him to make take very strong steps

i look back at the time for example richard nixon who had clearly committed crimes and wrongdoing and in hindsight i think we would all agree presidents ford pardon was important for the country to move forward and history held richard nixon quite accountable for what he did. >> david, you were an adviser to nixon. what do you make of that argument? >> big -- i think it's full of holes. listen, richard nixon was contrite. we've seen no evidence of contrition on the part of donald trump at all. richard nixon knew he had totally screwed it up. he tried to hide it. it eventually came out and he left. he left and he spared the country a trial. as for jerry ford at the time, it was a shock to the country and i think he lost the potential of being elected in 1976 after that was over, but later on the kennedy library, which gives out an annual courage award in the name of kennedy, john f. kennedy, gave an award to jerry ford for pardoning richard nixon. they said it was an act of courage that they saluted. >> hum. susan, "the washington post" is also reporting in recent weeks former president trump has entertained the idea of starting a third pol

that's what happened to nixon, gerald ford pardoned nixon once he became president. se come ford sought his —— saw his populated go through the floor as soon as he had done that. in terms of mr trump's relationship with their public and party, that may be relevant if impeachment does begin. how are you reading the reaction of senior republicans in the last few days? well, look, there have been some republican senators who have come out and said that he should resign. some have hinted that they might vote for an impeachment process. some of those more moderate republicans who are up for election soon, people like susan collins, lisa makowski, they are not up for election at the moment, in fact, susan collins just won her seat again, didn't she? so that may be possible. mitt romney from utah come he voted for one of those articles of impeachment last time around. i think in terms of the house, the vote in the house which could take place tomorrow, there have been some hints from some republicans that they might go with that. it would be a handful at most, i think, they

it's not clear -- i mean you've got of course the ford pardon of nixon. you do have the iran contra pardons at the end of george h.w. bush, but these are people that essentially cooperated and then didn't, appear to have kind of dodged and lied for the president, or at least on behalf of the larger project, and then were rescued by the president with a pardon. it's hard to come up with precedence of that. >> and that's right. i mean it's really abusive to, you know, pardon people who at least -- particularly in the case of roger stone, could be a witness against the president. if you look at the senate select committee on intelligence report that came out in august, the republicans basically came to the conclusion that trump may have perjured himself with regard to the conversations that stone -- knowing about the conversation that stone had about wikileaks. and that brings up another important point about the dangers of pardoning your compatriots. and that is that if you pardon your co-conspirator, well, that co-conspirator can no longer plead the fifth

however, ford pardoned nixon for that reason. widely criticized at the time but now decades later, his tris has supported that pardon. so, again, trying to look at it long range. >> i hear that. i think the difference is when you look at what happened here, to me the racial undertones that exist that fueled this entire situation is definitely something we can't look past or heal from. when people say let's heal, there's a lot of people who believe i can't heal with someone who's a white nationalist. i can't heal with someone who openly espouses racist views. i can't heal with somebody who believes it's okay if i disagree with you politically, i should violently take on the capitol and hang the vice president, kidnap and hold hostage and execute the speaker of the house. people who openly espouse these things against aoc and the squad. like there's no reconciling there. that's the difference between what happened with nixon and i think with what happened this time. >> i think you make a good point on that one. zerlina is back. zer

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which addiction this did not happen with your diction germ ford pardoned richard nixon not. richard nixon didn't part himself so that is going to be a big issue here because it could well be that he will. get what with him self fawell can you just say anything you've done. if you go yes yes the precedents for presidential pardons go back to george washington and there have been a number of occasions in american history in which the president pardoned very large groups of people for any crime that they might have committed rights. so this goes back to the royal corruptive of britain. that we ever see that as opposed to even a tiny. we shouldn't focus too much on trump right now. that's what he wants us to do we should be focusing on biden and the extreme importance of the fact that the ship the same day. the democrats won true sheets of the senate in georgia which means that the democratic party will be in control of both chambers of congress and the presidency and so that's going to lead biden and permit him to make take very strong steps both domestically and internationall

it's entirely a historical if he remembers what happened when president ricks richard nixon was pardoned by president ford i mean former president nixon mr ford said it would heal the country and it did the opposite it underscored we have 2 systems of justice one for the powerful and one for everybody else and that's not to be the case in the united states where everyone even the highest official in the land is subject to the law so in mr penn says to hold an impeachment proceeding to try and convict mr trump for clear high crimes and misdemeanors not just one but perhaps as many as 6 felonies incitement to insurrection incitement to seditious conspiracy incitement to destroy federal property incitement to assault federal officers seeking to fix involves defy the george election returns and siteman to riot all those things in which she is done without remorse at all indeed he called those who perpetrated the crimes on the ground as heroes as patriots even when mr penn some self has been subject to threats of execution because he counted votes lawfully mr trump is silent he hasn't said anything about disco

nixon. ron, we're told that trump doesn't trust mike pence would pardon him like ford did with nixon. thousands of americans are dying during the day and this is what's concerning him? >> that's been the point. that's been the story for months and months as we've been living through the greatest national security crisis facing the country since world war ii and maybe before that with the death toll almost unimaginable in l.a. county which is being taken to its knees by the magnitude of the virus outbreak and the president has been awol for months like a navy captain, he walked off the bridge and retreated to the state room wondering how to save himself. for months and months not a peep of complaint from republicans in congress as he has really abandoned americans at this critical moment. and even the impeachment vote, yes, 10 republicans did vote to remove him. that is the most for a president facing his own party, but you could certainly argue this was the single most egregious act by a president ever. i refer to doug brinkley if he can find something else, but i think when liz chene

. >> do you think joe biden should pardon trump as ford did nixon? >> i don't know.e should consider it. now i don't know whether donald trump, he's not a genius, but he might figure out if he accepts a pardon, that's an admission of guilt the united states supreme court has said so i don't know he would accept a pardon, but as part of healing the country, i think joe biden will have to think about that. >> jackie, does comey have a point? >> you know, i haven't asked the biden camp about this particular comment, but i'm going to guess there's an expression hard pass i think that might -- might come about. >> because of who it's coming from or the message? >> yes. >> gotcha. >> i think it's both. i don't think he's a terribly popular person in anyone's politics at this point, but also, i mean, that -- the -- the ramifications of that, both internally and externally in the democratic party i think might be problematic, let's say, for a fledgling biden administration. >> fair enough. john avlon, jackie kucinich, th thanks, guys. >>> new cnn reporting suggest the attemp

after nixon lost office. eventually ford pardoned him. he lost the presidency. later on it was recognized by taking the steam and animosity out of things it settled the country down and they were able to move on. >> 25th amendment, you have calls from both sides of the aisle. elaine chao now has resigned. vice president pence is now in a position he didn't see coming. trump turns on them. here it is. we are finding they have not spoken. the president did not check in on pence yesterday on capitol hill and his fate rests in pence's hands. >> it does rest in pence's hands. but this is, as you said, anybody that has watched the president interact with everybody and anybody that is not his immediate family should have seen this coming when it comes to saying or doing anything that can be an affront to what the president wants, even if what he wants is lies that he is spewing to the people that we are still seeing in the videos from yesterday. he is incredibly isolated. he is not talking to some of the people that he generally talks to. and there is a small group of

that's why ford pardoned nixon. he could have still been prosecuted. if the.hat level and they so strongly believe, let the criminal justice system pursue it. >> neil: you believe if these remarks were six month earlier, and i understand what you're saying about the time line here, now a former president but if he said the same thing and triggered a riot, that happened on january 6, let's say june 6, do you think that impeachment proceedings against him would have been warranted? >> well, on the basis of these facts, that's why you have a trial. here's why that trial wouldn't be different than now. that person is in office. >> neil: his language was incendiary enough. >> i think there's no tout that the president bears some responsibility for what happened. if he's president of the united states, you can't charge him criminally. you have to impeach him and remove them and then charge him. in this case he's a private citizen. if he committed wrong doing while he was president, the criminal justice system can deal with that. this is not the right use of congress

nixon. gerald ford ascends to the presidency. but gerald ford has -- no republicans made a psychic investment in gerald ford. nobody outside of one congressional district in maryland has voted for gerald ford. his hold on the republican party is very tenuous. and he wants to run for '76, but he confuses nixon's appeal with nixon's policies and he was by and large he was fairly conservative, although not as conservative as reagan. is that for trump? >> i don't know. >> just sent the train through. so he pursues all of nixon's policies. he continues detente. he continues his fiscal policies. he continues appointing liberal jurists to the bench. and this creates an opening for a conservative challenger for '76 and some looked at it but reagan was the only one serious about it. >> but then the reality is that carter beats ford by a narrow margin. >> extremely, less than 2%. >> right, so -- >> and ford gets 240 electoral votes. >> right. >> if he carries ohio -- >> he would have had it. >> ohio -- carter carries ohio 1976 by 6,000 vot

. >> now, gerald ford, one of the ways when people were mad at him for issuing pardon on nixon, gerald committed crimes. if donald trump issues a self-pardon, should we the public accept that as a confession? >> well, you know what, that's really interesting question. one of the reasons that president ford believed that conferring a pardon on nixon was add mission of guilt and a confession of guilt dates back to a 1915 supreme court case that said that. conferring a pardon is an imputation of guilt. accepting a pardon is a confession of guilt. i don't know what's in donald trump's head. i don't know if he will see it as a confession of guilt but many people will. >> one of the hallmarks of the trump era has been we have found out our holes in our system where it turned out it only worked because shame, frankly, was a way to get people to curtail bad behavior. donald trump hacked our system because he isn't shamed the way most human beings are shamed. do we need to reform our pardon system now to a point where a president doesn't have these unilateral abilities that he does considering

nixon. gerald ford assent to the presidency.ut gerald ford has no republicans make a psychic investment in gerald ford. nobody outside of the congressional district has voted for gerald ford. his hold on the republican party is very tenuous. he wants to run for 76. but he confuses nixon's appeal with nixon's policies. he was by, enlarge he was fairly conservative, although not as conservative as reagan. except for trump. >> i don't know. >> [noise] he pursues all of dickson's policies, he continues his fiscal policies, he continues to the bench. this creates an opening for a conservative challenger and 76, and some looked at it but reagan was the only one who is serious about it. >> but then it is the reality that quarter beat ford via a narrow margin. >> that's right. ford gets 240 electoral votes. he carries ohio. ohio, carter carries ohio in 1976 by 6000 votes out of 3 million cast. the headquarters in ohio, a lot of suspicion that the two masters wouldn't do that. mayor dailey wouldn't do it either. >> no, mayor daily wouldn

. >> do you think joe biden should pardon trump ford did nixon. >> i don't know. consider it. i don't know whether donald trump -- he's not a genius, but he might figure out that if he accepts an pardon, that's an admission of guilt, the united states supreme court has said, so i don't know that he would accept an pardon, but as part of healing the country and getting us to a place where we can focus on things that are going to matter over the next four years, i think joe biden will have to at least think about that. >> what do you think, andy? >> you know, alisyn, i think -- i understand that argument. and i think that before january 6th, it's a pretty close call. i would have completely understood in those days before the tobacco on the capitol that the new president might want to move on from this incredibly challenged period that we've been living, but the attack on the capitol for me changed the calculus measurably. you have a president who provoked and directed and incited an assault on his own government, on the process of democracy itself. i don't think yo

which addiction this did happen with your diction gerald ford pardoned richard nixon not . which addiction didn't part himself so that is going to be a big issue here because it could well be that he will. get that what when hot himself for can you just say anything you've done. a few go yes yes the precedents for presidential pardons go back to george washington. and there have been a number of occasions in american history in which the president pardoned very large groups of people for any crime that they might have committed rights. so this goes back to the royal corruptive of britain. so that we ever see that as a public. we shouldn't focus too much on trump right now. that's what he wants us to do we should be focusing on biden and the extreme importance of the fact that the show he same day. the democrats won true sheets of the senate in georgia which means that the democratic party will be in control of both chambers of congress and the presidency and so that's going to leave biden and permit him to make take very strong steps both domestically and internationally co

i was a most magnanimous pardon was gerald ford's pardon of richard nixon because he felt the country in war in vietnam winding down —— we still had a war going on. ford said, we have to get onto other things, we can only do that if we get richard nixon off the news. it was seen as a way to criticise the— way to criticise the country, even thou:h a way to criticise the country, even though a lot _ way to criticise the country, even though a lot of _ way to criticise the country, even though a lot of people _ way to criticise the country, even though a lot of people criticised i way to criticise the country, even | though a lot of people criticised it at the time, even the journalists who uncovered watergate. i would love to talk for a lot more time. alvin felzenberg, thank you for joining us on bbc news. the incoming biden administration looks set to reverse many of the foreign policy decisions made during donald trump's presidency. one part of the world that will be watching developments particularly keenly is the asia pacific region, where the influence of china continues to dominat

nixon to stand trial. in retrospect president ford was moving forward and trying to unite the country. that was -- i found out i was wrong. i hated nixon so uch and i felt it was time for a high crimes and misdemeanors, truth and reconciliation committee and president ford said no, we're going forward i didn't think it was wise it was i think that it would be wise to just go forward if i were biden and i like president ford. i thought he was a terrific guy, but it was only after i realized that i was mistaken in my judgment that we shouldn't just have a show trial. >> right it's hard to believe how much history is rhyming right now, jim. >> it ever >> we want to tell our viewers las vegas sands has announced the founder, chairman and ceo has died at the age of 87 due to complications from nonhodgkin's lymphoma he is a major donor to republican politicians including the president. jim, took it public in '04 became extremely wealthy also a huge proponent for israel he's going to leave a legacy well beyond gaming >> yeah. i think that anyone who has visited israel knows his name is everywh

president becomes a president in the event of a presidential vacancy was used when president nixon resigned and gerald ford became president. before that point it was unclear whether the vice president was actually becoming the president or just exercising the powers of the president. and it was the 25th amendment which settled that question in section 1. section 2 established the way o fill a vacant vice presidency and that took place when, for example, agnu, resigned as vice president and then president nixon follows the -- followed the provisions of section 2, nominated gerald ford and he was ratified by a majority vote in both houses of congress. now, section 3 i like to think of as the section that deals with the famous presidential colon, because it was used when ronald reagan underwent colorectal surgery and he voluntarily and temporarily transferred the powers of his office to george herbert walker bush. and then after that incapacity ended, he by letter resumed the owers of the office. president george w. bush himself invoked section 3 in transferring powers of the office to then-vice president di

the vice president becomes a president in the president vacancy happened when president nixon resigned and gerald ford became president. before that point it was unclear whether the vice president was actually becoming the president or just exercising the powers of the president. and it was the 25th amendment which settled that question in section 1. section 2 established the way to fill a vacant vice presidentsy and that took place when, for example, agnu, resigned as vice president and then president nixon follows the -- followed the provisions of section 2, nominated gerald ford and he was ratified by a majority vote in both houses of congress. now, section 3 i like to think of as the section that deals th the famous presidential colon, because it was used when ronald reagan underwent colorectal surgery and he voluntarily and temporarily transferred of powers of his office to george herbert walker bush. and then after that incapacity ended, he by letter resumed the powers of the office. president george w. himself invoked section 3 in transferring powers of the office to then-vice president dick ch

bar association way back but i thought about the legality of the parting that president ford gave to president nixony with respect to a president pardoning himself, and real issues would surround such a pardon. but i'm involved at fordham law school in a clinic on democracy of the constitution, and i had a group of students without anticipating this moment, over the past two years studying the pardon power. there will be a report coming out in another day or two as a result. it was pending that report, but it will be coming out and will speak more to that issue. we look forward _ speak more to that issue. we look forward to that. you're in new york city, which is where the trump organisation was based for many years, and is it possible that once he's just a citizen, donald trump will face legal liability in new york city, where the attorney general is very aggressively investigating both the taxation and insurance of trump organisation buildings? yes, and the president's - organisation buildings? yes, and the president's power. organisation buildings? yes and the president's power in united states,

power i have to vice president mike pence who makes no guarantee he will pardon me the way that ford did to nixon, particularly after i asked people to march on down to the capitol where i knew you were. you know, you look at this and say that maybe the president is the willing to throw that spaghetti noodle against the wall in hopes that there will be no consequences. in all of the cases you laid out, there is not a scientist of limitations period that would run out before the inauguration and a new president is installed. he will have to deal with state level prosecution on the matters if they find that to be the case or potentially federal if he chooses not to pardon or get pardoned. >> stand by. more breaking news. a former republican cabinet member is ready to weigh in on the 25th amendment to the constitution should be used to remove president trump from office. there he is. my conversation coming up with the former secretary of state general colon powell. he is standing by live. we have lots to discuss next.in. he is standing by live. we have lots to discuss next . >>> cnn learned house de

he was an adviser to presidents nixon, ford, reagan and clinton. gentleman imagine having a better voice on the show about where we are as a country right now, david gergen. the cnn poll shows that 75% of republicans have little confidence that the u.s. elections reflect the will of the people. if you were advising president biden, how would you begin to tackle this widespread, dangerous notion? >> well, i think the most important thing you can do is to put some wins on the scoreboard in terms of tackling the covid problem. the earlier we can get that under control, the more credibility president biden will have and he can move on to jobs and these other issues. i do think, pamela, that he has set a good tone so far, both in his inaugural and address and the way he and his team have been approaching this. he hasn't been hyperbolic. he hasn't gone out and tried to -- he didn't mention trump's name in the inaugural address. he's collected a professional team around him. the professionalism we saw at the inaugural sends the message this is a good oper

nixon again. he says, in fact, he doesn't believe he can trust the vice president mike pence to pardon him in the same way that gerald forde new reporting from cnn's kaitlan collins indicating that the president wants a big crowd to send him off next week when he flies off from the white house to florida. back to you. >> joe johns for us at the white house this morning. joining us now, cnn political commentator, errol and julie pace. our kaitlan collins and kevin liptack reporting that the president had planned on leaving washington january 19th. now he wants until the morning of the 20th and he wants a going away party. he wants loud, cheering people on the south lawn. what's your take away? >> i think you're exactly right. there was a point a few days ago where it looked like the president was going to slink off, where this was a president who was going to leave not only in disgrace in the eyes of many americans, but in his own eyes, really. and i think what he has done over the last couple of days is start to turn the corner on that idea. he wants to leave at least looking outwardly like he is still confident, like he

nixon was shunned. it's political writer fred barnes talking about how then president ford would not even say the former president's name. >> and i asked him, mr. president, why don't you refer to your predecessor as president nixon or as richard nixon? and ford said, and i was amazed at this answer, he said, "i just can't bring myself to do it." >> joining us now, cnn chief national correspondent john king and cnn political commentator mike shields, who, we should mention, is kevin mccarthy's political strategist. mike, as we mentioned, you're strategist for the house minority leader kevin mccarthy. going down to mar-a-lago today, it sort of looks like someone who's kissing the ring, playing to an audience of one and also to that person's supporters. it seems a big evolution of kevin mccarthy from three weeks ago, saying the president bears responsibility and he should correct this and he should make the transition to the biden administration smooth. what happened? >> well, he got a commitment from president trump to help republicans in the midterms. and to work together. and look, president trump, 75

that's going to be a shadow, and it reminds me a little bit of the time after gerald ford came in after richard nixoning about ford being president the next couple of years during which there would be trials of richard nixon, not impeachment trial necessarily but trials all over and ford would be asked at every press conference he gave, first question, what do you think about nixon and his trial. ford later said one of the reasons i pardoned nixon was to get all that off the table. but that's not parallel to this situation. i think in six months donald trump is going to be so overwhelmed with lawsuits, indictments, other kinds of legal and financial trouble, that he's going to be exhausted and distracted and not a big political figure. >> that's interesting. i think the instinct to turn the page, understandable one, but there's constitutional process now that must play out in the senate and i'm glad it's going to. >> i agree. >> we cannot just move on from what happened just two weeks ago. >> a line has to be drawn. >> i agree. thank you all for your time tonight. that does it for me for now. i'll be

when president ford pardoned president nixon. it was a deeply unpopular decision, but one that he said he did in order to unify the country and move forward. what we heard yesterday from mitch mcconnell on the senate floor continuing to raise questions about the president's responsibility for the attack on the capitol, in many ways, could be argued as a unifying message for republicans, as the party looks to see which direction it will be heading in, not just in the upcoming midterm elections, where they made gains in the house, but on the cusp of another presidential cycle. vice president pence is also keeping his own political options open. there are a lot of unknown variables, ones that are not clear right now, but important questions. as you correctly mentioned, the biggest unknown is whether or not he will be convicted in the senate. lisa: right now, we are looking at shots of president trump landing at joint base andrews in the helicopter. his family waiting to watch him off, including ivanka trump, jared kushner, not wear

when gerald ford pardoned richard nixon, many people in this country went ballistic about it.ious about it. many people criticized him quite vociferously. history has shown that it may have been the right thing to do. when you have ted kennedy who later, he first violently opposed a pardon right and then he came back later and he said it was the right thing to do to heal the nation. is there a chance that understandably your position may be right now, that history could soften that if joe biden has the foresight to implement it now despite all the opposition he might get? >> no. donald trump in my opinion is a career criminal, and what he does is commit crimes, and i'm sure -- look what's going on. read the paper today, and -- and we don't know that they are paying trump, but this is what he has done, and anybody that pardons him or thinks of pardoning him. nixon is a different situation. he did some bad things. i do not believe that richard nixon was a career criminal. he -- he lied and okayed crimes in his own interest. i think trump is an entirely different case and i think

as president may well face the question whether or not to pardon his predecessors as gerald ford did to nixon. what this is about from the democrat's perspective since i'm peachment about believe value from office, is whether 17 senators will join to prevent donald trump from holding federal office, including the office of the president of the united states again. it should be seen in that context. my argument about that is it shouldn't be up to 17 republican senators to decide whether donald trump is a nominee four years from now. it's up to 75 million americans that voted for him this time. >> neil: all right. thank you very much. now, the remarks from president trump, his final good-bye to the american people as president of the united states. >> four years ago, we launched a great national effort to rebuild our country, to renew its spirit and to restore the allegiance of this government to its citizens. in short, we embarked on a mission to make america great again for all americans. as i conclude my term as the 45th president of the united states, i stand before you truly proud of what

this is a woman whose father was chief of staff to gerald ford after richard nixon had to resign because of terrible things that he did when he was president. so she has historical perspective here in a very intimate way, so you have that. and then of course you have, as you very rightly pointed out astutely, erin, there's no way that this reporting is out there without mitch mcconnell's blessing. it's also noteworthy that mitch mcconnell and liz cheney did these things simultaneously almost. my understanding is that they talk and so there is an attempt to give rank and file republicans cover, most immediately tomorrow when there is going to be a vote in the house to say, you know the number three leader in the house took the politically risky move but the principled move from her perspective and did the right thing and so you can do it too. >> so, michael, what do you think the goal is here? obviously it's interesting as dana points out that mitch mcconnell and liz cheney talk. there's also the reality that, you know, mcconnell thought he would never bring this to the floor and convict

his retirement today he was coanchor of the "today" show and he also covered the nixon presidency and watergate and ford's presidency. tom started in los angeles back in 1966. over the years he brought us many of the biggest stories in this country and overseas, including the fall of the berlin wall >> live from the berlin wall on the most historic night in this wall's history what you see is a celebration of a new policy announced today by the east german government -- >> reporter: an incredible moment tom was a special correspondent for nbc news, i want to personally thank tom for his counsel and friendship all of us here wish tom and meredith our very best wishes. >>> coming up, a partnership that's making history. >>> cynthia mcfadden on two leaders. >> reporter: back in 2017, one of joe biden's final act as vice president giving the oath to a brand new senator, kamala harris four years later they share a much larger stage, the unlikely union of two generations ♪ when joe biden was born in 1942, it was a time of bigger than life world leaders, churchill, fdr. >> it is far viectory. >> reporter: americ

in nixon's case, president ford waited a month before he pardoned nixon. he refused to pardon nixon in the final days, but a month later decided for the unity of the country and for him to have his own presidency at a time of great economic crisis in the country and other crisis that he would pardon nixon. so there's something quite fascinating in what jim acosta is reporting there. >> jim, does -- do you think -- we've discussed this. do you think the president cares about his legacy as president, or is it simply the trump brand and the potential to make money and business deals down the road? >> my understanding, anderson, and this is from talking to sources, is that the president is basically clueless about what this is going to do to his legacy, that he doesn't fully grasp the magnitude of the fact, i think the very real likelihood, that he's going to be placed at rock bottom of the list of presidents in terms of how they're viewed by historians. i mean, this is a president who has been more jefferson davis than thomas jefferson. and you know, to pick

so i'm going to mention one because i'm old and i remember specifically what happened when nixon resigned and ford took over gerald ford was relatively unknown, he had only been vice president for a few months when he became president. his popularity rocketed to 77% and you know why it's because he wasn't richard nixon. because he got up early and made his own english muffins. because he went to the door of his home in alexandria in his bathrobe and picked up the newspaper himself. he wasn't the imperial presidency joe biden is an average joe in a sense in some ways very accomplished but also an average joe. i think there will be something of that reaction, a general relief that trump is gone. it won't be as pronounced as it was in ford's day because we're too polarized. we're deeply polarized but over time we can reduce that polarization and honestly by pro provenance maybe jooid joe biden is the right person to do that. >> let's talk about social media and its responsibility, if any, for where we find ourselves politically. i'm not deeply involved. i have an instagram account but i just post foo