let's discuss this further with karen greenberg, who is the director of fordham university school of law center on national security . she's joining via skype from new york city. so this is being revealed right now as we're speaking wife will burg, as a fed charge with grand larceny. in the 2nd degree, the trump organisation charged with sweeping payment schemes explain to us what all this means. i mean, just how sweeping was if a ledge fraud, how much money are we talking about you know, into we really, we really still don't know many of the details of this, but what. ready we do get from is that they're not going to try to soft pedal this investigation, and these indictments and it gives a signal to other people in the wider realm of the organization of what should be coming their way. and so the, the consequences of this is not, this is not going to be tough luck and roll off the back of the individuals. and remember, they started at the top, that's not often how and date and so sometimes you'll have lower use in your work your way to accomplish. they started at the top and one of