are still from a budget perspective, challenging economic time as a city and will be in the foreseecia foreseecia. i know a lot rely certainly on outside sources. how do you view that in terms of the arts commission and your assets? >> i think that's a great question and a very astute finding in the focus of this. it is a complex area. so the arts commission has a development director dedicated to raising private resources. i think for a department our size we have been successful -- and i'm looking for the exact number, but over the past five years, i believe we've raised close to 4.9 million, from federal funding sources, from the national endowment for the arts, california arts council, which is the last large fund, and copartnered with a partnership with the -- dedicated to raising funds. just this year we got 60,000 from the key pairing foundation and that was coupled with some private donations. we're embarking with another gallery which will be a fundraiser for art care. so i think we have done a lot in terms of public-private partnership. i think the challenge is we need to be cautious ho