james forman jr. is joining us, everybody! ( cheers and applause ) now, it's going to be a great conversation because his book is about race and criminal justice, a topic that is very much in the conversation right now. for example, in last couple of days, you may have heard the name meek mill in the news. and if you were just hearing it for the first time, you were probably thinking, "meek mill? is that a gluten-free granola bar or?" it's like, "here at meek mill we only use the gentle coats." meek mill is a bi-time rapper who just dropped a surprise release. >> well-known rapper meek mill, whose arrest drew widespread protest celebrated his freedom last time. the court ordered his release, citing credibility problems with a key witness in his original trial 10 years ago. >> how do you feel? >> i feel great. >> he met with comedian kevin hart in the locker room. >> trevor: damn! who is kevin hart's agent? he's even starring in meek mill's prison release? he's everywhere. but the story really is agreement news, not just for me

it didn't win, "locking up our own" by james forman jr. which also won the pulitzer prize this week for nonfiction. really terrific. do either of you want to jump in on that? >> what sarah said. [laughter] >> just quickly one thing that i think became like one of the bad stories that i try to interrogate in the book is we tried to tell a story about how trumpism was fueled by economic anxiety. i think people found this very comforting because then there would be some sort of remedy. in fact, there was a candidate who was in a real way trying to take on economic injustice, and he came out of nowhere and had an incredibly successful grass roots campaign, right? bernie sanders. what the social scientists have revealed is that, actually, the central predicter for support for trump was racial resentment. and the second predicter -- and i'm sure sarah knows this chapter and verse -- was something they called the authoritarian mindset. simple, punitive solutions to big, complicated problems. immigration, big, complicated problem. solution, build