think the problem is is that you know joe joe miller i agree with you i would certainly not be my fortner first choice for a candidate but what programs have worked since johnson has started since the great criticize. we have spent thirteen trillion dollars as a country on the poverty problem and the poverty rate has not gone below ten and a half percent things to date haven't worked it's really easy to make it a black or white issue where if i give you a handout and you're better off but then you know you start talking about incentives are we giving people are we giving people the right in like the right incentives the right motivation to help themselves and i think a lot of programs as they're currently set up don't do that you know we need to do more in need to employ more means testing because people know the system people know if they work and then they make above a certain amount then they will lose benefits so they don't want to work you know we it's a problem in d.c. it was something that was addressed in the ninety six welfare reforms under clinton and i think we need more of tha