. >> joined now by david kirkpatrick, fouad ajami. what do you make of what you've seen over the last 24, 48 hours here on the ground? and most particularly, the possibility of some sort of negotiated settlement? >> i think israeli president shimon peres had it right. there are some good words to be said about president morsi. morsi is caught on the horns of a dilemma. he's caught between his own public opinion which is very, very antagonistic to israel, and the needs of diplomacy and the needs of his ties to the americans. so he is trying to do it as best he can. he made this remark when he said hey, look, egypt of today is not the egypt of yesterday, the arab world of today is not the arab world of yesterday. but i think there are some real limits as well on the egyptians. one thing that we have to say since we're really beginning to talk about diplomacy, our president is i think now in cambodia. he has with him his secretary of state and he has with him his national security advisor. it's a remarkable development. when you ask what

joining me now, middle east expert fouad ajami. thanks for joining me.srael essentially accused by the prime minister of complaining too much. do you think that's true? >> well, i think what we have to go and look back on the vote that took place at the united nations on thursday. and, joe, that was a remarkable day in terms of the symbolism of it. it was november 29. and november 29, 1947, was the famous vote of the united nations that partitioned into a jewish state and arab state. the palestinians come back and get from the united nations what they call the birth certificate of their own nation state. and when you take a look at the lopsided vote, it was amazing. what you had is 138 states voted for the palestinians. nine states voted against them. and 41 states abstained. when you take a look at the people who voted with the united states, it was only the united states, israel and canada and a number of islands in the pacific. so it was cooked in the general assembly. >> in terms of tangible gains, what changes? is there anything that really changes

. >> fouad ajami, thanks as usual for coming in. >> thank you, wolf. >>> i want to show you now somea dramatic interview that happened right here on cnn. our isha sesay was speaking when suddenly blasts started going off in the background. watch this. >> muhammad, when you hear him say that, when you hear him describe the situation where he is, what goes through your mind? [ gunfire ] >> sorry. carry on with your question. [ gunfire ] >> yeah, you can hear everything. i'm not going to comment on anything that is going on outside. >> muhammad, what was that? muhammad, what was that noise we just heard? >> sorry? >> what was that noise we just heard? was that coming from outside? >> these are israeli warplanes. listen, let's just carry on our conversation. we need to have a decent -- yeah. you can hear all that by yourself. i'm not going to comment on it. i'm not going to even to allow these bombs to interrupt me from having this with you and your guest. >> dramatic moment indeed. we're going to get back to that story at the top of the hour. meanwhile, other important news including ur

we want to talk about it with fouad ajami, senior fellow at the hoover institution.eports and headlines as i have. and you look at this, what does it tell you if on one day mohamed morsi is playing an integral role in this deal with hamas and the very next day he's being referred to as some sort of a modern day pharaoh. what does this tell you? >> it tells us that revolution never really has a straight trajectory. he's a cunning man. he knows what he's doing. when you look at what brackets this decision by morsi to impose dictator power for himself, he signed a deal with the international monetary fund to secure a loan for $4.8 billion. then he did the international community a favor and demonstrated his moderation by negotiating a deal with hamas. and then what he does is he turns around and he asserts his powers domestically. in a way, in some way, it's almost borrowing a page from the book of hosni mubarak. but that's what this revolution has come to in egypt now. >> and i hope -- i saw you tinkering with your ifb there, i hope it's okay. >> it's okay. >> one of t