this started, jon, in march of 2012, alan fram at the associated press, wrote about the irs targeting conservatives. march of 2012. except his whole take was, this is just typical complaining. and fast forward to this week, we had npr doing two different stories, brian naler interviewing a liberal group saying, well, it took us a very long time to get our tax exempt status as well, so this is just pretty typical, and then you had scott horsley, the npr white house reporter, who just chalked the whole thing up to the law is just confusing. i don't think judy is right at all. i don't think the media is taking this seriously. >> some critics say the coverage leans more towards political partisanship than really uncovering wrongdoing. >> there certainly was. some people who are reporters leaned in to past reporting, such as chuck todd from nbc, who said well this -- reporters or republicans better not overreach because this would come back to haunt them. i was shocked when i heard him say that. >> why? >> because he's supposed to be a reporter not a commentary person. >> that's a new one.