fran, let's start with you. does where the vehicle is from or where it was and where it is now tell you anything or that some guy had enough time to premeditate it and find a car that's more difficult to trace. >> the fact it was scheduled to go through, but didn't go is interesting. where, physically, did it start and what's the path it was on? they will look at the records. they are going to look for credit card receipts, gasoline, tolls, gps, the sort ofs things we use all the time. used to be paper maps, now, we have gps, cell phones and blackberries. they tell your location at specific times. they will try to get all the information to paint the picture, a chronology of where the car was minutes, hours and days before it ended up at 45th and broadway. >> they are looking, based on the video, the first person of interest is a 40-something white man seen leaving the scene. the secretary of homeland security, janet napolitano says it was a aun off. what do we make of that? >> go ahead, fran. >> i think it's to

fran townsend, jack rice, larry. fran, let's start with you.ere the vehicle is from or where it was and where it is now tell you anything or that some guy had enough time to premeditate it and find a car that would be a little more difficult to face? >> well, it will be more interesting, john, the fact it was scheduled to go there but didn't go is interesting. the question is, where physically did it start? where did it -- what's the path it was on? they're look at all sorts of records here in the united states, having been a former prosecutor, they're going to look for credit card receipts, for gasoline, look for tolls, look for gps, sorts of things, you know, we use all the time. you know, used to be paper maps, now we have gps, we have cell phone, we have blackberries. all these things hit towers. will tell you your location at specific times. they will try to get all this information, john, in order to paint the picture, if you will, chronology of where this car was in minutes, hours and days before it ended up at 45th and broadway. >> the

fran, what do you know? >> reporter: i'm in new york this evening, and as it turns out, nypd sources tell me that they did an initial inspection, they x-rayed it, they're now doing a physical visual inspection, which includes cutting a hole in the side of it. they don't believe this is a bomb. but it doesn't really matter what the cause of it is, the nypd would have reacted the s e same. paul brown is in command currently, and they're going to treat this thing like a potential threat until they can put it to bed. in other words, until they can resolve it. all indications are at the moment, that this is not a bomb, but they won't know that for sure, until they finish the visual inspection. >> and let me ask you very quickly. >> i just got an update. the visual inspection is all clear, it's not a bomb, and they're going to open the bridge at any moment. >> very good news. thank you for joining us. >> fran towson, the former adviser to president george w. bush on homeland security. she's been in new york tonigh

fran, first to you, the drone attacks, i assume they're effective, but do they breed more terrorists> you know, wolf, we hear about the increasing number of predator shots and i think the thing people don't really appreciate is the specificity, the targeting of, of these weapons. it really is incredible. the ability of the intelligence and military communities to put this munitions on target without collateral damage. frankly, wolf, i think now we can -- we can fairly say that there's more collateral damage that's the result of traditional military operations than drone attacks. these drone attacks it's a little bit of a misnomer to say they don't require -- or they don't put troops at risk. because the fact is you need human sources and intelligence operatives, all sorts of people on the ground, as well as signal intelligence to gather the information to put them accurately where you want them. >> brian, you've just writing a fascinating piece and i've been reading your stuff for many, many years on what makes someone radicalized, what makes someone who is maybe a little bit angry a

are investigators up to this given what fran laid out here?what michael chernoff said. what the secretary talked about were these different levels of operatives who may be out there. he does highlight a problem. you go after the hard liners. those are the guys who are the most dangerous, but it's the low hanging fruit sometimes that are the most difficult because they don't have connections that one would expect either on the intelligence or on the criminal domestic or international side. you don't have that either. the problem is is that number of people can be so shockingly large. if we take it one step further, you think about what's going on in britain right now with first generation british citizens of pakistani descent who have had problems of their own, you start broadening this net so wide it's difficult to keep your eyes on all of those potential targets. >> chernoff said that terror groups are deliberately looking for people like this, with clean records, western passports and they're minimizing communication with them. that makes it

. >> the nats begin a three-game series in fran tomorrow night. >> cool. >> it was just a rainy weekend, i got to tell you. saturday, really stormy and yesterday, kind of muggy. >> just some light shower activity. we'll do it again today. taking its sweet time getting out of here. we won't see a lot of sunshine until wednesday and thursday. trend is working in that direction. we went get a lot of measurable rain today. >> you got it. >> we'll let you know that you might see a scattered shower on your way into work this morning. i've got it zoomed in here. and across the north side of the beltway, we've got very light shower activity and this isn't going to amount to much but it will probably be enough just to wet the roadways on the north side of the beltway and a few more light showers working down connecticut and with us wis and a few more down south and east down towards oxon hill. you might see a little drizzle other than that. we'll see the showers fill in and back away and fill in during the course of the day. we've got an area of low pressure. really spinning there off the caroli

let's check in with fran townsend. she was homeland security adviser to president george w. bush. have you ever been stopped or had something confiscated at the airport where you thought, okay, have you even checked out who i am? this is ridiculous. >> not only that, kyra, my latest great story is i was in front of a woman who had -- they were coming from washington on tourism and they took the kids' snow globe. and you sort of said, really? because it was more than three ounces. >> well, in that -- you know, it's incidents like that, as you well know, that we've all experienced where we wonder, okay, what's the deal with these no-fly lists? because there's not just one of them. there are several of them with so many various names on them. are they even worth the paper they're printed on? >> you know, kyra, i know this is going to sound counterintuitive coming after the nighttime comedy shows, but the system is built to have a redundancy in it, and the redundancy in this instance is the thing that caught this guy. you had the airlines that down load these lists, best we understand

it's not like this in l.a., san fran. let's throw something out of this."al because it's dangerous. >> it was still dangerous. >> still dangerous. >> jimmy: you tweeted it out and people showed up. >> yeah, about 30 people showed up on the sidewalk, we threw the case outside. >> people were running across traffic, they almost got hit. it was bad. it was really bad. >> and i threw out the second one, we just sort of dropped the first one and then somebody grabbed it and it and was like, "yay!" and somebody tackled that person and started punching in the kidneys. >> no, no, we're not even kidding. >> no, we're serious. >> no, it's hardcore here. >> jimmy: it's new york city, you cant throw an ipad out of a window. >> we expected someone to be like, "yay, i won." >> and for everyone to be like -- >> it was crazy. we were literally like, "stop punching that guy. he has it!" and then the second one i go, "all right. i fixed this problem. i'm just going to chuck it farther across the street." because you figure with some momentum somebody is going to catch it and

. >> earlier i spoke to the frans wynans minister. i started by asking what her reaction -- they france finance minister. i started by asking what her reaction was we have a lot happening, and it is a clear change of the guard. >> which you prefer? do you prefer a coalition of liberal democrats or for a cold -- a coalition of labour, liberal democrats, and for others. >> it is for them to sort out what is best for the british people. >> is there not a danger if there is a vacuum while these negotiations are going on of instability? >> the action we took last night and over the weekend following from the euro group head of state summit was clearly intended to avoid instability in the financial market. that brought about a significant rally today, and it is certainly better for the economy to have stability in then to have instability. stability is better. >> hollister indicated the united kingdom's hall exposure is around 8 billion. is that in accordance? >> it is agreed to provide the level of data, but it as a matter that we tried to

fran. caller: thank you so much for writing this book. i really appreciate it. i in my youth read "1984" and it scared the heck out of me and now i see barack obama implementing these things that i read in 1984. i thank you very much for bringing this out. i do live in illinois. i know all about obama and i know about his questionable behavior is politically, and about the university of chicago whe he and the thinkers that he brought into his administration come from. thanks ain. guest: thank you. part of the reason why i described as a machine comes out of the chicago background and the fact that if it gets $787 billion out of congress and a stimulus bill that no elected officials read, that is the behavior of a machine. host: you started out as a backbencher. guest: i started out as a failed candidate. lost twice. host: good point. are you part of the establishment today? and quickly assess arlen specter and rand paul. gut: i think it was good that arlen specter lost. i think to switch out of persal ambition is wrong, just like what i think charlie crist and w

jacksonville, florida, here is fran. caller: good morning, i heard one caller mention about the sea water to keep the pressure down and drills. but one report i heard said that it was the use of the sea water than the mud that contributed to the explosion in the first place. also about the government involvement, i find that ironic that the republicans, their whole tenor is less government and let private industry and the free market take care of everything. host: right. caller: now they want the government to spend their money. it's because we left everything to the free-market and private industry that the government doesn't have the facility to handle this. because we have left it up to the free-market so long. after that maybe the republicans will realize that there are some things that government has to control. and i thank you. host: thank you for the call, maryland, welcome to ron on the republican line. what is the next step of the oil gusher after the failure of the top kill procedure? caller: good morning, i am

fran. caller: thank you so much for writing this book. i really appreciate it. i in my youth read "1984" and it scared the heck out of me and now i see barack obama implementing these things that i read in 1984. i thank you very much for bringing this out. i do live in illinois. i know all about obama and i know about his questionable behavior is politically, and about the university of chicago where he and the thinkers that he brought into his administration come from. thanks again. guest: thank you. part of the reason why i described as a machine comes out of the chicago background and the fact that if it gets $787 billion out of congress and a stimulus bill that no elected officials read, that is the behavior of a machine. host: you started out as a backbencher. guest: i started out as a failed candidate. lost twice. host: good point. are you part of the establishment today? and quickly assess arlen specter and rand paul. guest: i think it was good that arlen specter lost. i think to switch out of personal ambition is wrong, just like what i think charlie cri

fran. caller: thank you so much for writing this book. i really appreciate it. i in my youth read "1984" and it scared the heck out of me and now i see barack obama implementing these things that i read in 84. i thank you very much for bringing this out. i do live in illinois. i know all about obama and i know about his questionable behavior is politically, and about the university of chicago where he and the thinkers that he brought into his administration come from. thanks again. guest: thank you. part of the reason why i described as a machine comes out of the chicago background and the fact that if it gets $787 billion out of congress and a stimulus bill that no elected officials read, that is the behavior of a machine. host: you started out as a backbencher. guest: i started out as a failed candidate. lost twice. host: good point. are you part of the establishment today? and quickly assess arlen specter and rand paul. guest: i think it was good that arlen specter lost. i think to switch out of personal ambition is wrong, just like what i think charlie crist