panel in the studio, theater director and writer jonathan chatwick, alongside journalist and author fran huws joining us. from the north of ireland via skype. gentlemen, thank you both for being here. i'll start with you uh, jonathan, uh, genocide case and apartide case against israel at the international court of just justice, filed only a month apart. um, how isolated are israel and its staunchest allies, backers, like the us, the uk, and germany. increasingly, i would say, i think it represents a real escalation. their isolation in the world, um, you don't mean isolated from each other presumably, because that's also a part of the chemistry that will happen, as things start to go badly for israel and and the americans, they will start to try to depart company, and that will that that's inevitable, you've seen that in us behavior in the past in other other places, but i would say yeah, i think it's um, i think it's a part of the isolation process and i think it's - think it's um only coming just so late, so late to save lives in in palestine, i don't think it's going to mean that the israel