for more on the labor market, i want to bring in fran katsoudas, cisco executive vice president.t to have you back with us. it has been called the great resignation. we are hearing the great realignment. we are hearing about quiet quitting. what in your view was actually happening within the workforce? fran: thank you, emily. i'm so glad to be with you. what we are talking about is an amazing opportunity to think about work. sometimes, when we talk about this phase, we are so focused on whether people are working from home or from the office, that we don't look at the opportunity from a future of work perspective. at cisco, we have worked hybrid before the pandemic. we've had a lot of flexibility. what we see at this moment is that one of the most critical elements about work is inclusion and flexibility and understanding there isn't a one-size-fits-all to the amazing work we have to do. if we are able to intersect flexibility, with the work and innovation in connection that we're building, a can be an amazing opportunity and not something to dread. emily: give me some specifics

fran katsoudas is with us next.berg. ♪ emily: there is another sign the labor demand in the u.s. may be moderating. unemployment applications rose more than expected, by 29,000, this after the labor department said the number of available jobs in august decreased by a million. this as the return to the office is weaning, or ebbing, let's say, nationwide. last week was the second straight week that office occupancy barely budged, after shooting up after labor day. for more on the labor market, i want to bring in fran katsoudas, cisco executive vice president. it's great to have you back with us. so it has been called "the great resignation." now we are hearing "the great realignment." we are hearing about "quiet quitting." what, in your view, is actually happening with the workforce? fran: thank you, emily. i'm so glad to be with you. what we are talking about is an amazing opportunity to think about work. i think sometimes when we talk about this phase, we are so focused on whether people are working from home or fr