joining me now to discuss the verdict's impact is fran meyer, the founder of match.com and trustee. meyer thanks for joining us. >> thanks so much for having me. >> first of all the obvious question. what's your reaction to this verdict? >> somewhat surprised although i think everybody knew that discrimination cases like this could be complex and ellen was complex herself. but i think disappointed. >> as a woman or as someone in the tech industry? why were you disappointed? >> from my point of view as a woman. i think it took a lot of courage to bring this case. i think it exposed a lot of issues that have been somewhat endemic not just to venture capital but with technology firms. and most women i know were really watching this because it was sort of our time in court. that being said, this has had the benefit of making us all talk about the issues. >> well of course kleiner perkins dodged a bullet in a way. they did prevail. but i'm wondering if you think in spite of that that there's been some kind of a tarnishing of their reputation. >> well i think when you have to expose all t