well, frances fukuyama, author and senior fellow at stanford university. thanks so much for being with us. thank you, steve. so what's the bottom line? sometimes history goes to sleep. frances fukuyama wrote about the end of history 30 years ago when the soviet union fell apart. now he says, history is waking up. we're being reminded of what the stakes are if might makes right, becomes the rationale for any countries behavior as america did in the iraq war, and banding about popular slogans like america 1st, which really means and america that doesn't care about the rest of the world. populace leaders don't like liberalism, they don't like the given take of a democracy. we're both political winners and losers, actually believe in the rights of each other. but his graphic and disturbing as the image of ukraine atrocities are, may be fukuyama is right, they are igniting the spirit. and the purpose of those who believe in justice in liberalism, democracy, and sovereignty history is awake again. and that's the bottom line. ah, i put this through, it is easy, t

russia are into letters, go ahead, max will remember, in late 90 eighties and early 9090 is frances fukuyama wrote his famous at the end of history essay. and i think what we're observing now is yet another end of the end of history, in the sense that, you know, back in the day the argument was that the world kind of found it's ideal framework for development liberal democracy market economy. what struck me over the past week, and that brought me to think that we are now seeing the end of the end of history. that the, the 3 countries, the united states turn to, to seek to undermine russian going to group on energy markets and on the world. we're iran, saudi arabia and venezuela. i think the end though, they're all great partners of the russian federation. but for years the united states have sanctioned them and blamed this how it is in particular for human rights violations and all that stuff. but right now it appears that you know, that the bad is called good when the worst happens according to the us logic. but i think it's sense the signal to the rest of the world that there is no such th