i implore you to do the same here. >> and frances haugen joins me now. welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you. >> we want to start with why facebook is so afraid of any government intervention. and i say this because they have helped kill -- all those bills i showed that none of them came into law? they -- and they're not alone -- but they had a lot of lobbyists kill those bills. what are they afraid of? >> when you look at the history of facebook's stock price -- and i did this before i came out -- over the course of the five years before the facebook disclosures began to become public, facebook stock only declined versus the nasdaq by more than 5% about 25 times, 27 times. overwhelmingly, those events, when the stock price declined, were when something came out that demonstrated facebook was going to have to spend more money on safety. facebook is scared that if we actually had transparency, if we actually had accountability, they would not be a company with 35% profit margins. they'd be a company with 15% profit margins. >> is that so bad? >> no. t