but, frances o'grady, you took uuite confirmed. but, frances o'grady, you took quite a — confirmed., frances o'grady, you took quite a lot of credit, _ confirmed. but, frances o'grady, you took quite a lot of credit, claimed - took quite a lot of credit, claimed a lot of credit for the furlough programme, from which people got paid not to work. because they often couldn't. do you really think that the tuc made at that party happen? i do and i think francis in particular takes a lot of credit for it, it wouldn't have happened to the scale we saw without our intervention. a couple of weeks before the chancellor announced furlough, i had given evidence take select committee is lockdown started that said you will need to have a massive short end jobs subsidy scheme, the only way to keep employment, to get people to keep their homes, livelihoods. we had a series of practical conversations with the treasury, frances in particular, talking to rishi sunak.- treasury, frances in particular, talking to rishi sunak. when you got this “ob, talking to rishi sunak. when you got this job. you — ta

frances took — o'grady was here today... applause. frances took a — o'grady was here today... use. frances took a chance and gave - o'grady was here today... applause. frances took a chance and gave this . frances took a chance and gave this activist from merseyside a place on the tuc organising academy. not once during all of my time as a union activist, did i ever think i would be stood here in liverpool as general secretary of the tuc. applause — . i can't imagine feeling more applause . ican't imaine feelin more -roud . i can't imagine feeling more proud or more humbled _ . i can't imagine feeling more proud or more humbled than _ . i can't imagine feeling more proud or more humbled than i _ . i can't imagine feeling more proud or more humbled than i do right - . i can't imagine feeling more proud i or more humbled than i do right now. congress, thank you for your support and welcome to liverpool. when you come out of the centre later, look across the mersey, you can literally see the hospital where i was born. liverpool as we went to college, went to work, met my wife, vic

you know, if you look at frances o'grady, the former leader of the tuc, i think now the lords. thinktorically or brendan barber, previously head of the tuc, know, head of the tuc, you know, i think he elevated think he was elevated in a similar is similar way. so there is definitely a there is definitely a variable at work with regards to a labour government that trade be little trade unions tend to be a little bit aggy they are with bit less aggy than they are with a tory one. however i think this might be a little bit different over the next several years because of course we coming because of course we are coming out period of quite low out of a period of quite low growth, inflation growth, medium to high inflation and means is that if and what that means is that if people better people want better living standards , there going to be standards, there are going to be what call what economists call distributional conflicts. we don't growth. so we can don't have growth. so we can just have bigger pie and we just have a bigger pie and we can apportion out different slices to differen