roosevelt said, and his labor secretary, frances perkins, what a great labor secretaries in history, basically 1935 created the opportunity, and the legal basis for collective bargaining, and created social security and minimum wage and a 40 hour work week with time and a half overtime. and all sorts of other incentives. it change the organization of the market, followed by a period of time in the late '40s and '50s and '60s when this country invested in education, higher education, primary school, secondary schools, infrastructure to a huge degree. the national defense highway act. i mean, we as a country, as a government, working sometimes against business, sometimes with business, we completely reorganize american capitalism, and made it work for everyone. >> to clear up one thing from your book, from that period that you seem to quote with approval, you talk about how american business is organized time and have come incentives operated, and you quote from the book, all our employees, not owners of their place in the system depends on the roles of democratic promotion. juiciness