what are your thoughts on this, francesca?le we and others chase these kind of like, silly theatrics? they're not silly, as in they should be dismissed and ignored, but they definitely suck the energy. they suck the oxygen out of the room, while the kind of evil stuff happens in the shadows. >> i think. >> it's all become one. like, i agree that it's that that the debasement of the office is part of a strategy to make it look easy to govern. right? the idea that, oops, we just undid the ebola research, but we put it back together. you got to move fast and break things. so i agree with imara on that sense, but i disagree that we shouldn't cover the spectacle because at this point, it does matter that the richest man in the world is. yeah. on a three day bender sitting in the oval office at the first trump cabinet meeting, just kind of lording over, you know, folks who are nominated and confirmed, be they evil as well, that that does matter. >> all right. francesca fiorentini, imara jones, thank you to the both of you for joinin