the governor, he will speak, we will speak cousins, a with university of illinois. professor francis anthony boyle, who says there is a direct tie by the way between the natal actions that we're seeing now historically and the war and ukraine don't go away. he's good. we'll be right back, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross the full board. here we discuss the wheel and the okay, welcome back. let's continue this conversation numbered sanchez, the note and professor of international law counsel francis anthony boyle recently said that the conflict in ukraine can be directly tied to essentially what became intentional or not a live once expressed by the secretary of state. james baker. during the 1st bush administration, 1st of all joins us now to take us through how we got to the place where we are now . professor, thanks so much for joining us, sir. a. thank you very much for having me. i'm looking my best your heart and thank you. i didn't go through that. you say it was all about baker a. what he said, the turned out to be a lie. why and what not? well, i read secretary state jim baker