there is a book called "interviews with francis bacon."e time, i had not thought of the tension between inspiration and technique. and the way accident is very important in art. but you can only achieve accident in a full way after you have fully mastered technique. it's true. children under the age of seven, every single one of them is a genius painter because it is totally instinctive. but you can be paid in -- painting like a seven-year-old when you're 14. you go for this painful process of learning technique. you have lost all instinct and inspiration. you are just learning how to draw. and then you get through that. and you can allow accident to happen. it you are open to accident. you have all the technique. you have all that -- so deep within you, you don't even have to think about it. it has to become thoughtless, the technique. and then you can allow inspiration to come back. charlie: thank you for coming. mirren: thank you, charlie. brilliant. ♪ announcer: the following is a paid advertisement for time life's video collection. ca

. >> rose: did you say your greatest guru was francis bacon? >> artistically, yes. >> rose: how did he influence you? >> well, a great painter, obviously. there is a book called interviews with francis bacon, and he put forth the concept, which, at that time, i had just not thought of the tension between inspiration and technique, and the way accident is very important in art, but you can only achieve accident in a full way after you've fully mastered technique. in other words, he said, you know, it's true, children under the age of 7, they're all, every single one of them, genius painters. they're genius because it's totally instinctive. but you can't be painting as a 7-year-old when you're 14. so, you know, you have to move forward. then you go through this painful process of learning technique, when you've lost all your instinct, you've lost all your inspiration, you're just learning how to draw a foot, you know. and then you get through that and now you can allow accident to happen. you're open to accident. you've got all the technique, you

bacon and eggs. a protein shake might be great. maybe some scrambled eggs. >> eat every three to four hours, that's the best way to be. >>> hotel rooms will be scarce when pope francis visits the united states next month. there is one unique option still available in philadelphia. you can bunk on board the uss new jersey. >> that's an interesting thing to do. haven't done that before, right? the historic battle ship is offering bunk beds stacked three high for $75 a night. the ship is docked a short walk from the ben franklin bridge from philadelphia. >> so they're saying you get three beds for $75 a night? that's a good deal. stay tuned for continuing coverage of the pope's visit. for more, head to nbcnewyork.com. >> tonight, starting at 5:00, we'll meet the local mother and daughter who just won millions on a scratch off lottery ticket. >> my new family. are you being charged for someone else's care? new york's biggest i-team investigates billing mistakes. >>> happy tuesday, everybody. welcome to new york live. thanks for tuning in on this soaking wet late summer day. you made a wise decision tuning into to us. he's been called broadway's dog whisperer. we'll brin

bacon in no time. sorry. get a free quote at progressive.com. . >> it's about a month to go before pope francis travels to philadelphia. visitors are running out of options where sty, thankfully people are not running out of imagination, "eyewitness news" reporter todd quinones explains how the battleship new jersey is becoming an accommodation. >> reporter: we went burned and below deck the battleship new jersey. the ritz carlton this summands and you can forget about room service. >> who thinks when kwlur coming to the world meeting of families a papal visit to stay on a battleship. >> reporter: the appeal of pope francis has pilgrims looking for a place to rest their heads and the battleship new jersey has pleasant of beds. >> how many total. >> 350, 400. >> reporter: battleship new jersey ceo gave us the tour of the now floating museum and the overnight accommodations that come with it. gettinging into one of those beds isn't exactly easy. it's a bit of a cosy fit in here but for 75 bucks a night. this could actually be one of the shichito beds for when the pope is in town. >> reporter: five get you two meals, bre

bacon, and nbc's kristen welker. we'll talk republicans in a moment. but first, kristen, new report on vice president biden's 2016 here. he's on vacation but making some very crucial phone calls. >> that's right, francis. i spoke with a source close to biden who had an extense i phone call with him this week and who tells me biden is calling some of his closest friends and allies while he vacations in south carolina. the tone of the call is not so much asking people if he should run but, rather, that he's thinking about running but, also thinking about his late son beau. beau of course passed away in may after a bat with brain cancer. this source emphasized biden is still grieving his son's death. still there are supporters who are urging biden to run. their key argument is that clinton is showing some vulnerability, which we have seen. and of course, biden, they argue, has spent eight years in the white house which makes him uniquely prepared. the reality is it's getting late and still no formal campaign. second source tells me this will ultimately be a decision that biden makes with his family. he's still on track to make that decision by late august or early september. the vice president's official