i just read a book by francis collins called the language of god. he's the head of the genomics object and decided. he started as an atheist and that he is a person of faith. but in some rising our scientific knowledge today, the fact is that we know that the world, the universe began as a consensus. it began with a big bang, but what set off with a bang? they don't know. haven't the foggiest idea as to how the universe was created. we can come to the next great question, okay, there was a big bang and all this matter or whatever it is, out there, how do you create life out of that? haven't the foggiest idea. we see it through a glass darkly as the gospel says. maybe later we see face-to-face, but we don't know. if you accept that, you'll get a kind of stoic view of the world, and you certainly understand that it's very difficult to make things better than they are across the board, but it's not so difficult to make things worse, which we see repeated over and over again. if there is a redemption and that we can accomplish, it's like one person at a

. >> did you see debate with francis collins, the head of the gman project, one of the most prominent scientist in the world practicing christian. dr. collins told him you do not question my scientific credentials. i have better scientific credentials than you have. >> bill: i told him that, too. there were more brilliant men than he who believed in the deity. and he basically says that the united states isn't founded on judeo-christian philosophy. that's just absurd. i mean, our justice system is based on the 10 commandments. in fact, what hangs in the supreme court? the 10 commandments. they haven't gotten rid of them yet. they are there. >> in your book lincoln you mentioned was a believer. >> bill: absolutely lincoln read the bible every day. >> never get through with dawkins. more emotion with them. >> unscientific by the way. >> bill: they get really upset. >> to attack somebody you don't believe in with such vigor and enthusiasm and passion and anger. >> bill: i'm not angry that dawkins doesn't believe. i don't care what he says but he gets really teed off. what has convinced y