and then francis grayson took off maybe a few days before christmas eve and she disappeared. [indiscernible] joe jackson: we cannot be extemporaneous here. >> ok, you mentioned fokker. they are still making aircraft. joe jackson: he had a fight with the people who took over his company. >> i mention it because i just happen to be at laguardia airport when flight 50-50 crashed into the bay, the problem was icing. joe jackson: i know it. that french plane that disappeared on the way to brazil, it was theorized that it was the same thing. talking about planes are still -- talking about la guardia, makes me think, i still think planes are considered glamorous. when i flew in yesterday, on the tarmac was a private jet and it stood alone in a circle of light and painted on the fuselages was trump. it was donald trump's giant jet. when i was in new york i had gotten on the trump princess. it was like an exercise in excess. i wondered if his plane was the same. >> he bought the trump princess for a song. i was on it once for a party. jackson: somebody wants to ask a question. ok. >>

she was a new yorker and her name was francis grayson. and she tried to fly across in december, and everyone was telling her that this was suicidal. ice is going to form on the wings and you will be dead. she would not listen. you have several kind of like -- she had several kind of like revolts within her crew and the day that she left, she was going to fly to newfoundland, service her engine, and then fly across. the day that she left, the reporter saw her slip a gun into her purse or backpack or something like that, and the reporter said something about a symbol of her authority and she kind of changed the subject. and then she disappeared. i don't think she killed everybody on board, i don't think that happened. but she was competing at the same time as ruth elder. and it was really pretty interesting. once again, the mechanics of publicity are going on here. she was in her 30's, she wasn't unattractive, but she was stern. >> [indiscernible] joe jackson: and she was a feminist, so she was kind of scary to the press. ruth was -- had mo