. >> you mentioned francis lieber during the civil war for the code of world of war. but also seeing the first appearance of total war in the modern era so do you see a relationship between the effort as they attempted with the creation that they initiated? >> the 19th century with the attempt to make laws in a number of areas to regulate society. that may be driven in part that society was becoming too complex and that distraction was becoming too great. to happen in other times and places that the distinction between those who are fighting or supporting those lines got more blurred general sherman said we must feel what it means to go on fighting so women and children making it impossible for them to survive. so on the one side this attempt that we see in other areas of society the age of great lawmaking with the industrial society but we also see the blurring of the line because it often last longer we are just blurring the lines. >> discussed for the audience which i think is interested in your answer away from the teaching of diplomatic and military history. >> i