francis willard. >> i was get frances bellame and francis willard confused. she was a suffragette, socialist. if we can put it into the curriculum of third graders, maybe then we start have a chance. the 1870s,, third grade curriculum, anti alcohol was put it in classrooms. it was still an ad hoc system, before john dewey horsemen but a third grade curriculum is put in. by 1919, what do you have america? prohibition of the sale and consumption of alcohol. the progressive said, wait if you can do that with a third grade curriculum what else can you do with third grade curriculum? they discovered a word called pie day. they didn't discover, they knew it from our founders. we put it at the book it's how you can train the youngest. if you can change what he -- can change the entire way civilization looks at what they value. >> well, as we said, the pledge, one nation under god, it divisible. would you go so far as to say that when socialists and those who created the pledge were after what you've described to them under god as the state -- >> yes, originally, but