francisco riordan was one of the instrumental in all of that. oliver: what happens?y whistleblower? >> it is uncharted territory. it is unclear what will happen. he has had trouble looking for work. he has gone on some interviews. already a ventures is stigma on your resume, but he has made the decision to go public as a whistleblower. there sometimes can be a stigma associated with that. and how companies will see that is him being an ethical person, or making them concerned he will turn around and do the same thing against them. it just makes his career prospects of it more complicated than your average software engineer in san francisco. oliver: to be fair, what has rothenberg set against the client? >> rothenberg has said they are cooperating with the sec and said they will be able to reach a conclusion with it. he also did a facebook live video in which he blamed a lot of the problems on sensationalist media coverage. i try to interview him and he declined. oliver:, the company that is providing night visions to satellites, and why cruising to cuba might be a be

and so then afte that, about a week later, francisco riordan was terminated. he was fired.ispute there. rothenberg said he had already given notice before this, and that this is celebrating his exit. he says that is not tru he is is rare whistleblower that is nonpublic with what he has done in silicon -- that has -- he is a rare whistleblower that has goneublic in silicon valley. oliver: a lot of people do not come out and talk about it. why is his story taken hold within the country those tackling -- taken hold in the country? >> this is a soap opera. asr the past year, there was big rise were they were holding these big events getting a lot of publicity. then there was this dramatic fall. there were a lot of stories about the mismanagement of funds. it was not clear. the sec began to investigate. people were following this saga. whothey wanted to know was were the people behind misleading to these investigations and stories being done? francisco riordan was one of the people in simental and all of that. oliver: what happens? what is the future of a silicon valley wstblowe

francisco riordan was one of the people who was instrumental in all of that.ppens to riordan at this point? what is the future of a silicon valley whistleblower? mark: he is an sort of uncharted territory. it is unclear what will happen. to a certain extent, he has already had some trouble looking for work. he has gone on some interviews. rothenberg ventures is already a ding on your resume, but to add onto that, he has made the decision to go public with his role as a whistleblower. there sometimes can be a stigma associated with that. and how companies will see that is whether or not they see it as him being an ethical person, that he did the right thing, or it makes them concerned that he is going to turn around and do the same thing against them. it just makes his career prospects a bit more complicated than your average software engineer in san francisco. oliver: to be fair, what has rothenberg himself said against the claims? mark: rothenberg has said they are cooperating with the sec and they think they will be able to reach a conclusion with it. he als