channels often these days well it's in these foreign minister when britain bob was franco frattini twice foreign minister and berlusconi cabinets and a european commissioner he is a special representative of the organization for security and cooperation in europe and a former public prosecutor he was also italy's parliamentary committee president for intelligence and security services and state secrets full of our minister welcome to going on the ground in person for a change let's just begin with libya i mean at the time you told anyone that would listen the bombing libya was a bad idea so what's your take on libya seven years after britain boehm did well we confer our position at a time we didn't want to war in libya we try to do everything possible to purchase you weigh. partners lie because our calls he'll come around it was a very bad idea to destabilize the northern africa we doubt thinking about what next the is was the question was not an answer seventy years later we see the real risk of partition only in two or three this is because many people in europe don't know as he told h

welcome back i'm still with italy's former foreign minister franco frattini certainly to resume here is on the record and we're now getting images of this final. so-called against the going to moscow is the mists in it live and according to the west kind of catastrophe caused by moscow and san fran and ankara trey's i mean he's on the record for saying the future of syria is one or was one without assad what did you make of these nato leaders saying things like that. well i think i was not in agreement when president obama used to say. to leave tomorrow because i used to respond it is realistic. years later president chen judged that position very more much more pragmatically you recognize is that assad cannot leave to morrow oh no leave or the nominations are bold woodward's book say that of course dr design has them that he had to do assassinated praktica impractical terms i think. going out the exit of assad regime should be one of the components of a political process in that political process russia and united states the main players we like are not those players are absolutely

the salzburg summit, i spoke with the former italian foreign minister and european commissioner franco frattinin t ding enough to help his country. we have been appealing to all the member states to do more, and more, and more. but then they have been doing less, less, less. today, we have a situation where italy, which is quite a small country compared to 1 billion people living in africa, has been left alone to face tremendously huge flows of migrants and refugees. they are refugees and they are economic migrants. and when it came to the new government decision to close the italian ports, there was a furious reaction from a number of member states and then we said, ok, let's share the burden. at that moment, president macron said, no, the french port will remain closed. so this is not solidarity. but look what this is doing to the politics in italy. mr salvini, back at the election, was around 16, 18%? now he's about 32. so he's doubled his support in italy? yes. and now we have italy, one of the disruptor countries aligning with the likes of poland and hungary? well, not necessarily. i think