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lieutenant colonel rick francona is with us. what jim was saying that the plane came apart at altitude, does that mean that it separated in the air? >> this would be the result of an explosive event. this is not engine failure. this is obviously everybody's saying it was shot down. this would indicate a surfa surface-to-air missile. i think surface-to-air missile is probably the best guess right now. >> we talked about this vuk system which is a missile system that russian forces actually travel with. >> right. all of these air defense missiles are mobile in the russian inventory, and they traveled as part of the division equipment that goes everywhere they go. so the russians on the other side of the ukrainian border will have all of this weaponry available to them. and as we said earlier, striking this kind of a target for those kind of russian air defense systems would be no problem at all. >> this plane could not, at this altitude, could not have been brought down by a shoulder-fired weapon that separatists may have. >> no.

thank you, rick francona and bob baer. >> important discussion. 13 israeli soldiers dead, 87 on the gaza side and overall, 425 palestinians dead in this conflict. we are going to talk more about the death on both sides, i said, the deadliest day of fighting since this conflict unfolded. how or is the u.s. really going to react, how involve ready they going to get? we know that secretary kerry will be on his way to egypt for discussions about the tension in the region tomorrow. we will talk about all of that straight ahead. ♪ you want to save money on car insurance? no problem. you want to save money on rv insurance? no problem. you want to save money on motorcycle insurance? no problem. you want to find a place to park all these things? fuggedaboud it. this is new york. hey little guy, wake up! aw, come off it mate! to react, how involve ready they e than just car insurance. ♪ amam rich. my social circle includes captains of industry, former secretaries of state, oil tycoons, and ambassadors of countries known for their fine cheeses. yes i am rich

the first is to lieutenant francona. from danny, he says putin has called for a full investigation, but can we trust that he isn't going to withhold any damning information? lieutenant? >> absolutely not. there is no reason for vladimir putin to cooperate with this, because i think after all is said and done, the finger is going to be pointed back to if not his forces, his proxies operating in eastern ukraine. that missile system used to down this aircraft was built in russia. it had to be -- the operators had to be trained by russians and operated by russians. putin's fingerprints are all over this. we cannot trust vladimir putin. >> and pardon me, colonel. mary, here is an interesting question from the man's name is van stonehouse. what motives do all these parties have in downing a passenger plane? was this plane selected or simply a random victim? >> well, i think that certainly russia and the terrorists, the thugs that downed the plane want everyone to believe that it was random. but frankly, you can't close your ey

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before we get to youler lieutenant colonel francona, i want to get to david. more information about the possible restatement of the flight ban to israel. how could it be a good thing to fly planes into a war zone? kudos to the faa for banning flights to israel. that's what clicktolearn says. do you think should it have been reinstated? >> first of all, i think should it have been closed. i think it does now have to be reinstated. what i don't know is why. what it does say in the regulations as far as closing the airport, if there is a significant risk, it must be closed. the faa had no options as far as saying it didn't have to be. 10 let's get that off the table. it did have to be closed and it did have to be closed for 24 hours. after the 24 hours, what they have to prove is there is significant and new information, significant or new information about the safety. and evidently they did that. that's what they said they did. so they're following it by the book right now, don. they're doing what they need to do. >> okay, lieutenant colonel rick francona. we ha

. >> colonel francona, how realistic is that? >> i don't think it is. ideally that's what you want to do. the problem is the people that control the ground are the ones we suspect of doing this, so they have no reason to cooperate, because cooperation will probably lead to their condemnation. i don't see any immediate resolution to this, and the problem is all of this degrades over time. >> absolutely. jim, let's get to you in washington. >> i want to throw a question to bob bear, because it strikes me it's clear to many what happened, the plane was shot down and where it was shot down from, and that this now becomes a politically influenced investigation, and you have russia saying we want it to be unbiassed and the west is saying it wants to be biassed but everybody has a bias about where it's going, and it seems the investigation will go into the political realm and a propaganda battle over the facts, right, does that strike you as the next step? >> you know, jim, this comes as a chapter out of the cold war. look at the explosion, and the korean plan

lieutenant colonel rick francona who had details on who is responsible.krainian state security, crossing back into russia. they say it happened within 12 hours of the flight being shut down. they say this is proof the russians were involved. what's your assessment? >> well, first of all, one can be a little suspecting of that coming right when you need it. assuming that the tape is valid, it shows me whoever was in charge of shooting that missile wanted to get that equipment out of the country. out of sight as fast as they could. >> okay. everything right now indicates that this was a mistake. they didn't know what they were shooting at. the rebels may have thought it was a ukrainian military plane, a cargo plane. if they were using this equipment correctly, is that mistake possible? >> not really. the fact that they shot at a civilian airliner is very troubling. what it tells me is they are probably not using the entire system. the buk missile system has four components. one is an air surveillance radar. it is capable of determining what the target is. i

i'm also here with lieu dtenant colonel rick francona. just in terms of kants, we have not seen separatists heretofor, they have brought down at least one transport plane, but they were not flying at 33,000 feet. >> yeah, this would require, as we were talking about, a more sophisticated system. talking about, you know, hitting it inadvertently, it would be very difficult for that to happen. generally once you're locked onto the target, it goes to that target. and if it veers off that target and is no longer being guided, they self-destruct. >> but when you're targeting a plane at that altitude, are you clear on exactly what kind of a plane it is? >> no, it's a return on your radar. >> right. >> it will be a certain size, you can estimate the size of the aircraft. you may have other sensors that tell you what it is. but, you know, once you're getting radar returns and you engage the weapon, it just follows the radar path right up to the aircraft. >> so bob baer's earlier point that this is all trackable, that we will soon know where this

i want to bring in our military analyst, rick francona. one of issues, the reason they have not been able to reach a compromise, neither side sees it as not in their interests. hamas, the fight itself seems to be the success. >> what are the conditions they want for even just a humanitarian pause? the israelis say we'll agree to humanitarian pause but we're going to stop right where we are and we're going to continue to look for the tunnels. the palestinians say, well, we can have a cease-fire but you have to withdraw back to the border. those are two die metrically opposed situations. neither one are going to happen. they are talking past each other and not to each other. >> that's been an ongoing issue. we've seen this time and time again. i want to talk about the u.n. shelter, a school. 16 civilians dead in gaza. israel released a video. it's kind of a grainy video that the military is called an errant mortar shell saying what they thought was an empty courtyard at the school. what do you see that we're not seeing when you look at this

ammunition with our pentagon correspondent barbara starr, also retired lieutenant rick francona. barbara, as you know and colonel francona knows, this ammunition question gets right to the question of israeli tactics because, you know, is the u.s. supplying weapons that help israel fight this war in an urban area and increases the danger of civilian casualties? because i know as you noted, barbara, many of these weapons are not, in fact, precision-guided weapons. can you explain to our viewers, you know, that distinction? >> well, sure. i mean, the u.s. regularly and with the full authority of congress sells munitions to israel all the time for their legitimate self-defense. that is the legal standard for selling weapons and ammunition to israel. the country's right to defend itself. what we're seeing now is that continuing flow of ammunition to israel over the last couple of weeks. and in fact, just yesterday, an announcement that more munitions were on the way including 120-millimeter tank rounds, even more illumination rounds we see lighting up at night so more strikes can be

i want to bring in our panel, cnn military analyst rick francona and bob bear. colonel francona, first to you. let's talk about the u.n. security council meeting. here is the e-mail we have gotten from the security council, it says the president of the security council wishes to inform members of the council it will have a public meeting in connection with the agenda item, the situation in the middle east including the palestinian question will be convened tonight, midnight. what's going on here? >> well, there has been no resolution. the secretary kerry has not been able to get these two to the table. the ejipg gyptians have not beee to get them to the table. the u.n. feels they have to do something. these two sides are so far apart. they're talking past each other. what the israelis demand, the palestinians can't give. what the palestinians demand, the israelis can't give. maybe the u.n. can do something, but i'm skeptical. >> i was going to ask bob. bob, what can the u.n. really do? can they do anything except for a strongly worded note? i'm not trying to be

i want to bring in lieutenant colonel rick francona and bob baer. colonel, first to you, is there anything that the secretary of state, secretary kerry, has in hisquiver that he can bring to bear to get the two sides to talk? >> it doesn't seem that there's anything he can give both sides in order to stop. hamas wants almost unreasonable things. they're demanding things the israelis can't give and the israelis would be happy to go back to the status quo but it's unacceptable to hamas. it's like they are talking past each other. >> and getting the western leaders together and all that pressure on israel and hamas won't help? >> it might be the only thing but i do see that coming yet. we're not there. the israelis have an objective and they don't seem that they are going to stop until they do it. they got to stop firing the rockets but they want to destroy the tunnels and wipe out the rest of the inventory and they won't stop until they achieve some recognizable goal. >> can they take the head off of hamas? >> given enough time and if they're willing

rick francona is retired air force intelligence. >> the standard sa 11 warhead is 150 pounds of high explosive fragmentation. in other words, the casing itself will turn into shrapnel when the warhead explodes. >> francona says the buk launcher typically uses these missiles. instead of a fire ball it tears hole in the aircraft leaving sections intact. >> it could have caused a mid air explosion. we saw the fuselage coming apart and falling in large pieces. >> reporter: experts say thick black smoke from a fire was likely the fuselage after it hit the ground. >> we think of another crash, the korean airline crash where people were still alive after it was hit by an air to air missile. is there the possibility that people were aware for a second, two seconds of what had happened? >> it's possible. as the aircraft broke up, if you were still strapped into your seat, you would realize something terrible was happening. but you would soon lose consciousness because of the altitude at which you were. >> the length of the six-mile debris trail suggests the plane may have remained airborne fo

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. >> and, bob, what colonel francona talks about, do you agree? you say they are trying to score a knockout punch here, what are the options? does the west have to step up efforts for the ukrainian government both from a cia perspective, what can they do? >> rick's right and this is going to be decisive weeks, the next couple. what we need to do is get the europeans and bring them together because they are the ones that ultimately have to decide what sanctions are imposed on russia and will have to involve energy. that is what will hurt putin at this point. so far i haven't seen much leadership out of europe. i don't know what it will take to get europeans to react. >> kerry is there and has been pushing hard on gaza. you wouldn't imagine he has been talking about this. there is frustration in the netherlands which is close to russia. allen, back to you quickly. you said you operated in these situations before and never seen one like this. david thinks you can get what you need out of it. what do you think needs to happen? the security around that

frank francona, cnn military analyst. david soucie, former safety inspector for the faa. bob baer, former cia operative in los angeles. david, the biggest challenge for investigators this week is at the crash site. do you have any hope that they will be able to conduct their work and get everything they need done in a timely manner? >> i have hope, but that's about all i have. i don't know if they're going to be able to get there. i don't know if they're going to be able to stay there and secure a perimeter big enough to come up with the answers. >> and colonel, with this new offensive, it seems, by the ukrainians moving toward this area, how big are the concerns for what's happening there? and is the crash site, itself, now just sort of an asterisk on this entire operation? >> for the ukraine wrians and pro-russian separatists, this is not a player anymore. they have bigger problems and the crash scene will suffer because of that. >> how far is vladimir putin willing to go to maintain his sphere on eastern ukraine if not all of ukraine? >> you know, that's a hard call, b

rick francona former u.s. military in syria. michelle kaczynski eand mary schiavo also a former inspector general for the department of aviation. you're standing on a map of ukraine right now. military officials tell cnn that they do not believe the ukrainian government, that in the region where this plane went down, they do not believe that ukraine had the capabilities to shoot this plane down. explain to me why they think that and the implications there. >> the ukrainians had the capability, but not in this region. the ukrainian military has it in its arsenal. this is controlled by separatists. we know the separatists have acquired the capability to shoot this down. now you see the blame game back and forth. >> they have the capability, which means they have this missile. the buk missiles that can do this kind of damage. >> it's a radar-guided, very capable system and acquire multiple targets and engage them up to 17,000 feet. hitting with this system is very, very simple. >> let's get over to the white house right now because

james woolsey, former director of intelligence and colonel rick francona.k with me, fareed zakaria. >> today we have reports of drunken separatists piling the remains of people into trucks in an unceremony use fashion, removing them from the location. they are interfering with the evidence and the location. they have removed, we understand, some airplane parts. it is critical that this is a very, very critical moment for russia to step up publically and join in the effort in order to make sure there is a full-fledged investigation. we want the facts. >> this is going to be tough. fareed, to you first. the crash site still unsecured. people can't drive in it. you can just walk around, we are told. malaysian investigators have arrived. they are waiting for permission to get to the site. what needs to be done to get it to move faster. >> the most important thing is that this area needs to be taken away from the pro russian separatists. it needs to be placed under international supervision, international control. eventually you should go back to the ukraine gov

colonel francona, i know you don't know the answer.sn't the question here now where this is and now quickly it went to that location? >> yeah, and if you look at that on the left hand side is where that little radar we're talking about. why is it so important they get this missile out of there? i'll tell you -- >> it's evidence, right? >> exactly. we have the radar signature. we have the recordings of the radar signals that were used to track and attack this aircraft. if we can get that radar, every radar has a unique signature. we can match those two up and know it was this platform that did it or not. if the russians are able to get this back into russia, we will never see that again. and we'll never know exactly which unit, which particular vehicle fired that missile. >> see how much more expertise you can shed on this than i couldle? i really appreciate you. i truly do. thank you for coming on to talk about this prime suspect, if you will, in the downing of the plane. next, the story of a couple and their baby booked aboard this tr

let me bring in lieutenant colonel rick francona, cnn military analyst, and david gherk gherkin, political and presidential adviser. welcome. colonel, straight to you as far as what is going on here. what's your read? >> well, if you look at the range of russian artillery, it puts this area between donetsk and the border right in range where those two 25s were shot down yesterday. this is where the fighting is ongoing. now, the fact that the russians are going to supply better equipment, that's one thing. but when you've got fire support from the russian side of the border into the ukraine, that's another matter. now you're getting yourself directly involved. i'm assuming these are russian units firing into ukraine. it could be pro-russian separatists operating from russian. i'm assuming russian artillery. this brings us to a different level. >> it potentially huge. barbara starr making the point to me, you know, what would this mean on a bigger scale as far as a military move, right, from russia. but let me just get to that in a second. back to your point about if this is russians firing

joining me now, colonel rick francona. welcome back.ukrainian defense spokesperson says that preliminary information suggests that those missiles were fired from just inside of russia. that would be incredibly brazen. >> it would be also difficult to hit these aircraft from that far away with a shoulder-fired missile. they also said they were flying at around 17,000 feet, which really puts them out of the range of the shoulder-fired stuff. i would think that we may be looking at yet another instance of the use of the sa-11. >> okay. which would have been used to take down malaysian air 17, though they're looking to confirm that. we also have -- i guess this sort of raises two possibilities here, this reporting. one, that vladimir putin has lost control over these pro russian rebels. or two, you can think of it as if these rebels are, in fact, russian-trained, russian-backed, does this mean that russia is refusing to back down? >> i don't think there's any question the russians are not going to back down. they have a stake in this. putin

this begs the question does this demand a seachange of protocol now. >> yes. >> and to, colonel franconawant you to listen to some sound. it came from candy crowley's program "state of the union" this morning. dianne feinstein talking about this incident. >> there are a lot of things that one can say as well as planes shouldn't have been over there in first place. but the fact of the matter is to use this kind of launching missile that travels at two to three times the speed of sound, that takes just seconds to get there, that's made for an entirely different purpose, to take down whether it is transports or helicopters, and in this case a very large passenger plane filled with almost 300 people including 80 children. >> 80 children. let's talk about what this is made up of. because the buk is not just one, it is actually part of a much larger system of four parts of weaponry. however, as we discussed yesterday, it can still operate like that by itself. and if it doesn't have all the components, you miss key parts in terms of the most sophisticated parts of the radar. >> that's the probl

. >> frightening indeed, retire lieutenant colonel francona is here. we're hearing there's an air strike every four, four and a half minutes. >> this is the israelis keeping the pressure on. they are trying to force hamas to blink, to stop firing rockets. israeli is not going to stop until hamas. this is spiraling out of control. what we have to watch for is a ground incursion. is this going to happen next? >> we talk about a cycle. there's no end in sight. you get the sense this time that israel and the israeli government or benjamin netanyahu doesn't want to settle for the status quo here. you hear these ripplingrippling. >> hamas has a greater capability and more lethal in the past. that's why you are seeing these really concentrated air strikes and the israelis are not holding back like they may have in the past. there was a mosque being used for storage of rockets. they took out the mosque. that's almost unheard of. >> you look at the death toll, a good portion of those are civilians. you are not necessarily hitting the targets where it inflicts t

let's bring in cnn military analyst rick francona to talk about this.hing worse is waiting in the wings if hamas is destroyed? that's what we've been hearing from a lot of israeli officials even. >> and a lot of american officials feel the same way. you know, if hamas goes away, something will take its place. we don't know what that will be. it could be islamic jihad, it could be a new group but, you know, power abhors a vacuum. somebody will step up to maintain the resistance. there's just so much animosity right now. if you get rid of hamas, it's not going to solve the problems that are in gaza. gaza is just going to be a problem for the israelis going forward. this goes beyond the borders of just gaza. we're seeing recruitment among all these jihadi groups just skyrocket in the last three weeks because of this animosity toward israel. if you want to galvanize public opinion in the arab world and drive, you know, radical islamists into a militant organization, this is what happens. and this goes far beyond israel. this affects all of us now. >> thank

joining me, elise lavit, bob beh, philip mudd and kolle nel rick francona. the secretary of state said this about the investigation into flight 17. here it is. >> today we have reports of drunken separatists piling the remains of people into trucks in an unceremony use fashion, actually removing them from are the location. they are interfering with the evidence in the location. they have removed, we understand, some airplane parts. it is critical this is a very, very critical moment for russia to step up publically and join in the effort in order to make sure there is a full-fledged investigation. we want the facts. >> now he says reports. so he prefaced that. if it is indeed true it is outrageous. is there anything the international community can do to speed up and take control of the investigation? >> well, don, i think what's happening is the separatists clearly who are in control of the territory, this is getting caught up, a, in whether they have culpability. clearly all signs point to them. b, with the acrimony they have with ukraine now. the united st

i want to bring back bob baer and colonel rick francona.rhodes told cnn today that the europeans were going to have a series of sanctions that they will level against the russians later this month, maybe early in august. is it too late for sanctions? are the russians too invested in what they want out of ukraine? >> the sanctions could hurt the russians, but you know, putin has embarked on a course, he has laid down a marker. now, he can't retreat from east ukraine. he didn't retreat from crimea. he's got that. this is his next target. i think what -- if there are sanctions and they are too biting, it pushes him into a corner, vladimir putin will push back and we have to ask ourselves, how much are we willing to go -- are we willing to go and fight for ukraine? >> bob, the same question tour is that where you see this going, are we too late for sanctions and how star the u.s. going to push? >> let me put it this way, i don't think the u.s. is willing to push on its own and only so much you can do with putin. you have to look at what did he

. >> colonel francona, i know you've had a chance to look at this as well.k last time around a cease-fire was on the table and hamas called it a one-sided agreement. is there a concern that they are going to feel the same way this time? >> i think so and i think the general brings a good point. it's always good if people are going to stop shooting and start talking and i think the secretary-general and kerry have structured this in a good way. let's just stop shooting and talk about where we're going. rather than putting these preconditions. if hamas tells israelis, we'll agree to a cease-fire, if you open up the west bank, those are nonstarters. let's give everyone a humanitarian break. >> let's talk from the soldiers perspective again, general. i think those of us sitting at home and away from us, don't have the military expertise or intelligence-gathering capability and insight that the two of you have, will say, gosh, do they have to keep putting innocent lives at risk? you talk about the operation on the the israeli side not being completed yet and ther

colonel francona, reporting on these missiles. it is very difficult.e one has not, there is emphasis on you can move it around in five minutes. it is incredibly mobile. on the other hand there is the fact that it is an incredibly sophisticated missile system even though it is not the most sophisticated in the russians' arsenal. how easy is it for someone to train and operate it? >> six months. the army uses about a six-month training period for someone to operate a system this complicated. to believe that this was given to the separatists and they were able to operate this just doesn't, it defies logic for me. the russians either had to take them to russia, train them and take them back. we're talking about a six-month lead time. or the russians sent advisers in quotes to run the system for them. >> it sounds like what you're saying, you believe they sent the advisers in. when you look at the lenlth of this conflict, there isn't a six-month lead time. >> as we get more information about what happened, and more intelligence is being released, i'm coming

joining me now, rick francona, cnn analyst. colonel, that was fast. >> yeah.robably maybe too fast. he's going to suffer a lot of post traumatic stress. but i see what the army is doing. they need to get him back into a regular unit so they can begin the process of figuring out what they're going to do with him. >> so when we say active duty, does that mean -- what does that mean? will he have access to military weapons or anything like that? >> no. he'll be probably in some sort of office environment. but they need to get him into a unit with a chain of command and a commanding officer. and only then can they begin the investigation into what happened to him. >> yeah. so let's just say indeed he was desertion, right, that is considered one of the worst transgressions in the military. will he ever be accepted by his comrades? >> i don't think so. i don't think he'll remain in the army. >> even if it's -- let's just say -- i was going to return, i wasn't deserting. you don't think he'll be accepted? >> not at all. the members of his unit consider him a deserter

i want to bring in richard quest and lieutenant colonel rick francona.irst of all, rick, the capabilities that hamas has with these rockets, i mean, they're basically point and shoot. they're not actually tracked. they can't necessarily aim for the airport and know that they're going to hit the airport. >> they just fired on -- where they believed the airport is. they used google earth and us used -- and fired it down. but they're totally unguided. totally at the whim of the wind and manufacturing defects. these are not high-precision weapons. >> they're not weapons that can be changed or altered once fired. >> no, they're completely unguided. and they've got two -- the -- >> so the chance of hitting an aircraft or attempting ton hit an aircraft with something at this distance -- >> hard to calculate. they can hit the runways. they can hit the terminal. they can hit the airport. >> they just need to come within several miles of the airport and we see results here, with delta and other areas starting to stop flights. >> you only have to have a rocket in t

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military attache in syria and iraq, retired colonel, rick francona, senior analyst, david gergen alsoith us. i want to started with you, you talk about the president and what he is or is not doing, but when it comes to american interests and the people here who may look at the rest of the world and say, what does it have to do with me, how is this gonna help me get a job? how is this gonna help me? is the president handling the balance properly? >> look, int want to be fair to the president, i think he is trying to hard within his own sense of what the job entails. go back to miguel's point, the country is fatigued with wars, wars incompetently fought and don't want to put a whole lot of -- people around the country don't want to put a whole lot of confidence in new military endeavors, but we do have interest here. the -- if isis takes over a third or more of iraq, for example, these militants a haven for a lot more terrorism around the world. we thought we had terrorism under control here in the last three or four years, not going to be subject to some sort of decord natedd coordinat

colonel rick francona from new york, welcome back.is israeli official is quoted today as saying, this, quote, a game-changer that hamas can potentially strike jerusalem from gaza? do you agree with that? >> oh, absolutely. this is an unprecedented capability that hamas has. in the past go rounds, they have been able to hit as far north as tel aviv. but now they can range virtually anywhere in the country. and this is a pretty powerful rocket. it's got, you know, 400-pound warhead on it, it can do a lot of damage. >> unprecedented. noted. the israelis, meantime, say they will continue bombing hamas until hamas quits trying to bomb them. yet, though, colonel, in the near term, the israeli air strikes seem to be having the opposite effects, more attacks from hamas, including the attempted strikes on jerusalem. so what then would israel's logic be? >> this is just spiralling almost out of control. the israelis up the number of air strikes they do, the palestinians up the number of rockets they're going to launch. at some point, somebody h

carlene pettitte, an international pilot, and lieutenant general rick francona, a cnn analyst. how are you doing? you guys ready? david, you first. the escalation of violence in the ukraine, some viewers are really concerned about another show down, if russian rebels shoot down another airplane. what are the chances of america responding aggressively, right? it's hard to imagine, but could we have imagined -- we couldn't have imagined this a week ago. >> you know, i'm really not the military expert. but i would certainly hope that wouldn't happen. but i just don't see that happening. from my perspective. i don't think that it was the intended purpose to shoot down a u.s. carrier at that area. i really don't believe that was the intent. what we have done is restricted that airspace through there. we're restricting airspace in other areas. and as long as we're diligent about doing that, we just need to improve the way that we commute about where these weapons are and if they have gotten into the wrong hands to the air carriers. >> what would be your response, lieutenant colonel f

>> this is rick francona. if i described the warhead to you, what we're looking at is 150 pounds of high explosion fragmentation warhead, proximity fused, would that change your opinion at all? >> i don't know what you're even talking about. why would that have anything to do with this? >> no. i'm saying, if what struck the aircraft was a 150-pound warhead that was radar-fused to go off in the neighborhood of it, would that change your opinion? >> so you're saying, rather than a missile that actually struck the aircraft, and this is an actual device, you're saying -- >> you're talking about a delayed explosion that was implanted? >> no, i'm talking about the warhead on the suspected missile, the alleged missile that would have hit this. it's 150 pounds and high explosion with fragmentation, and it's a radar proximity fuse. so would that give you the same kind of characteristic you were describing? >> well, certainly would. first of all, you're talking about implanting the head of that warhead missile into an a

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. >>> we're joining by colonel rick francona, a cnn military analyst. >> the crash site in ukraine has been described as the biggest crime scene in the world at this point. we just heard him describe what he saw. what is your initial reaction to this? >> well, this is outrageous, the people that are preventing the recovery of those body which is needs to be done for a variety of reasons, the same people that did this are refusing to allow any progress to be made. you need to get qualified investigators in there so they can find out really what happened. although i think we have a pretty good picture of what happened. and they may be stymieing the investigation because they don't want to have the real proof of the fact that they actually shot this aircraft down. >> this could go, i'm guessing, in one direction, or the other. in which that this could be, and tell me if you disagree here, that this could be -- come to a gunfight to keep the ukrainians out of this area tox keep their territory. or do you think as phil black just reported, there's now this news conference, could this leader

david soucie joins me and rick francona and richard quest.ou reported on a flight from malaysia to london that flew over syria and i was surprised to learn flights are going over syria. >> the air routes aren't closed. syria hasn't closed them. they are not designated as closed, therefore, in the same way as nato, mh-17 took it's open and fall took that flight. when i asked malaysia's chief commercial director today about that, he was quite clear, it was a mistake. he said he's gone back again and made absolutely secertain cauti planes must take these routes. if you look tomorrow at the carriers going up and down the eastern side of iraq, going over baghdad and if you look at the middle east airlines going over syria, they are still doing it because the routes are open. >> i got to say for all the time on flights where the pilots go on and on what ruth you'll take when you try to sleep, they never mention dangerous places you're flying over. look on your left and you'll see syria. >> sometimes they will say we're going over baghdad or afghani

francona, dale city. right now 79 degrees. mount ray near in temple hills. 77. peter burg, western maryland to front royal and north and west over areas like ohio, we're watching this rain. for us we're going to see clouds make their way in during the evening hours. a few clouds i think mainly west of i-95. coming down from canada. cool throughout the northeast corner of the country. reagan national it is nice. mid 70s by 9:00. still low humidity and a lovely efk coming our way. tomorrow morning temperatures aren't quite as low. you can see the numbers, 53 martins burg. 56 in d.c.0é7#ñ the range 56 for the most tomorrow morning. low 60s, fredericksburg. around stafford. waldorf 61 for a temperature starting out tomorrow morning. and as far as the next couple hours as we take you through the evening there are the clouds drifting through. by morning few may be hanging on and for the afternoon we could see a few clouds start to slip into the area although i think on our model guidance may be more off to the west throughout some of the high spots of the mountains fo

and phil, on the last point i was talking last hour to our cnn military analyst, colonel rick franconahe told me it's very unlikely a shoulder-fired missile system could make that distance, even if it was 17,000 feet in the air. tell me what you're learning about the jet shootdown. >> reporter: well, indeed, brooke. and that's the point the ukrainian government is making. what we're talking about here are two su-25 ground attack aircraft, heavily armed, heavily armored, usually low-flying when they are moving in on their targets. and in this case, they were shot down, as you touched on, not far, just to the east of the mh-17 crash site. really between that crash site and the russian border. but who did it and how on these points, there is some dispute. so the rebels say they did this using man pad shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles. the ukrainian government says these aircraft were flying at an altitude beyond the range of most mobile or shoulder-launched missile systems. and they have preliminary information, without being specific about what it is, that these weapons may have

. >> thank you very much colonel francona. >>. >>> up next, the parents of one of the passengers "outfront a their daughter, smart, beautiful, accomplished young woman. only on that plane because she had to work the day before and missed her flight. >>> in the middle east, two americans died in the fighting. we'll be back. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. it's been that way since the day you met. but your erectile dysfunction - it could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical co

let's dig deeper with cnn military analyst, lieutenant colonel rick francona, and les abend.colonel, there are the reports that the australians are trying to broker this detail with the ukrainians to send in police, some of them armed. how do you think this will impact this crash site? will it exacerbate an already tense situation, or do you think it will allow these investigators to get to their work a little bit more quicker is and more efficiently? >> they've got to do something to secure that crash site, otherwise, every day it's being degraded more and more. i don't even know how much more clues they can get out of it, except the large pieces, but bringing in some sort of international presence is good. now, will the rebels allow armed australians on the site? i don't know. they can work that out. but the important thing is, we need to get this out of the rebel hands can into the hands of somebody international so we can keep people from walking through this site. remember, this is a combat zone. it's going to be very, very difficult to exercise any control over that sit

. >> all right, arthur rosenberg, colonel rick francona, thanks to you, gentlemen. >> thank you. >>> mass exodus. hundreds of palestinians in a town outside gaza city fleeing in panic as the fighting there intensifies. that story coming up. moderate to severe crohn's disease is tough, but i've managed. ♪ i got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. ♪ when i finally told my doctor, he said my crohn's was not under control. ♪ he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. [ female announcer ] humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doc

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we're joined by rick francona and david difuri with us and david, israel did stop shooting. hamas did not. did they miss an tun to solve this crisis and why did they let it pass up? >> they certainly did miss an tun, but there's a bit of opportunityism by hamas. they want to accomplish certain goals and demonstrate to the people that they are retaliating against israel, that they are making an impact and they want to demonstrate that to the world and they want to get more support from the terrorist organizations around the world that support them. so they must have deemed that a cease fire was not in their interest, even though they are suffering heavy losses because of bombings by israel. >> the cease fire brokered by egypt, secretary of state john kerry supported it, is this thing dead in the water? >> it didn't address hamas's requirements, it was dead in the water before it got to hamas's devic. they rejected out of hand. no one was going to make those conditions happen, so i think david is exactly right. hamas is playing a really dangerous game here because although it

along these lines here and that gives these pieces here, which i believe from what i had heard from franconand some others that they're about the size of a quarter to a half dollar pieces. >> thank you very much. >> which would show on that skin as well. >> david soucie, to show you how something can be so small, fast and horrifically powerful. >>> hundreds of flights go over war zones every single day. so have you been on one of them? it's going to surprise you what we have to show you. we have an "outfront" investigation. really... so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. introducing at&t mobile share value plans... ...with our best-ever pricing for business. then boom... what happened? stress, fun, bad habits kids, now what? let's build a new, smarter bed using the dualair chambers to s

retired air force lieutenant rick francona. that would be artillery. >> it looked like artillery. they have the 155 self-propelled that he pointed out there, it would do that kind of damage. >> amnesty international is saying point blank it's irresponsible to use artillery, long-range artillery less accurate than other forms in such a densely populated area. is there a standard here? >> it's a pretty accurate system, and if you listen to what these spokesmen said, he said they were responding to mortar fire coming from that area. >> right, from the vicinity. >> israels have tracks, trajectory of incoming rounds so they know where to put fire back on them. what they probably didn't do was to check those coordinates to make sure they weren't firing on a school. >> so because the u.n. is saying, look, we gave the gps coordinate 17 times to various members of the idf, how would that actually work? the person actually guiding the or aiming it would double check coordinates? >> he would check coordinates but how? he goes into some database or doesn't get to the firing unit, he wouldn't