. >> you consider yourself more analogous to frank abignail, jr.hen you do are stereotypical understanding of what a hacker is, like from what we see in movies. d you think that is more of what you do to, as opposed to what frank abignail, jr. was doing? >> actually, i was doing social and jerry and technical attacks. for example, a technical exploit to get into a large company looking for a piece of code because of wanted to examine that code. if i accepted figure on how to break into that type of operating system. then i would use social engineering to find out what server the dakota was interested in was on because it would be much faster than the sitting of the network from month looking for a. i basically used social engineering technical exploitation, but we've focused more on the social engineering side because we thought it was more interesting. and frank abignail, jr. reviewed the book and he liked it. he called me a master social engineer. i don't know what that means in his category, but my guess is compliment. very happy that he did bec