host: alright kathy, frank buckley? guest: i get it.he part about russian collusion is an exploded live. e. it polluted our politics for two years. in other respects i agree with you entirely. what i started to say here is that trump has disgraced himself. certainly after january 6, the party can have no use for him. even before then, even before january 6 there were terrible problems with the administration. i agree with all of that. all i will say is that walking into it, and 2016, even with the history that he had prior to that point, his ideas represented something new and it was those ideas that i thought deserved to be taken seriously and supported. host: i want to get your thoughts on some reporting from the new york times so we mentioned earlier, this janne sienne poll. gop voters have two minds about trump. a college poll says that his post presidential quest to consolidate power has left in weekend with half the primary voters seeking someone different for 2024. a significant number bowing to abandon him. guest: it i hope he d

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book you spend quite a bit of time criticizing frank l franklin del nor roosevelt's court packing scheme. and in 1982 on the original firing line, william buckley jr. hosted a supreme court clerk who is an fdr appointee. in this interview, the subject of the court backing came up. take a look at what he says. >> the court packing plan, i think was a real -- a real -- much more difficult issue. i think in retrospect, i must say as a young law student, i support it. and i must say that i think i was totally wrong. but i think that, you know, he was vexed by a court that was, in my judgement, making the wrong decision. >> so the court packing plan didn't work. pritchard later agrees it was a bad idea. but you make the case that it worked in the sense that it intimidated some of the justices. you write in your book, "the biden administration is using the threat of court packing and much the same way that franklin roosevelt did in 1937." >> yes. >> how so? >> well, using it in the sense that even though president biden himself has yet to come out and, well, full throatedly champion this. he has flirted with it. he created a mission to study it. he h