and i wonder your thoughts on the significance of that, first frank figliuzzi. >> yeah. i just quietly cheered when i heard her call out the gop membership on this. and, you know, they try to speak with forked tongues. their response to this, as with most responses from liars and bullies, they kind of changed their tune. we saw them waving around their report saying, hey, hey, we have acknowledged before that russia had a role and was meddling in the election. but you can't have it both ways. you can't go out and say, hey, it was ukraine that did it, not russia, and then wave around a report that says, no, we acknowledge russia did it. let's remember something. the president of the united states said it could be russia, it could be another country, it could be some 400-pound guy sitting in his bed. which is it? are the republicans saying we are with the president and there is this alternative option that we don't believe mueller and we think ukraine did it? or are you saying the president is wrong and now we are acknowledging it was all about russia? you can't have it bo

as well as frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence.c news national security contributor. catherine, let's ask frank figliuzzi first, as you look at this situation and how quick the response was, it really matches the statistic now. the secret service has statistics for how quickly they can respond to this kind of situation. >> yeah. it's both a sad state of affairs and a positive development that the police unfortunately have had so much practice with this that they're able to respond, contain and neutralize very quickly. so that's one bright spot in an otherwise very dark story today. i'm interested in a couple of things here. first the fact that this student decided to end this in a residence and what the significance of that residence is, whether it's his home or whether it's a friend's house or whether it's simply the first unlocked door that he found while he was on the run, if it's his home there may be -- that may be a factor. the home may be a factor here. he decide to go back, retreat into the home. and we're still not entirel

york times," nancy cook, white house reporter for politico, melanie zanona for politico, and frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. and, frank, given the news of the day, i would like to begin with you. can you remind the folks watching tonight why was it the president of the united states was apparently hell-bent on removing a career diplomat from this ambassador post? why was it that her boss, the secretary of state, didn't run interference for her? and why is it that the president as recently as today is quoting a foreign government in ukraine as not having preferred this ambassador? >> well, you've asked the key questions that every american should be asking, and the answers are unfolding as we hear reports of the depositions and the deposition transcripts are released publicly. what we're seeing behind all of this reasoning is that she wasn't on the trump team. and by that i mean to use the italian mafia phrase, la cosa nostra, this thing of ours. she wasn't part of this thing of ours in trump's mind. she was trying to represent the interests straight up

t and frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. good evening and welcome to you all. mimi, i have a couple questions for you, one of which occurs to me i did hear one of the analysts say today the president made a mistake there by saying this is the first he's heard of the phone call, only because this is going to come up again and again and again. sis >> right. well, he's boxed himself in now to a certain defense. he can't say i remember the conversation and that's not what i said. he's boxed himself in now to it didn't happen. he has to make it look like not just one person but numerous people are either lying or mistaken about it. sondland, you know, on down. because it's a conversation that is -- is this will get into some other issues. but it's a conversation that involves multiple people. and so he's now boxed himself i' to i don't remember and the only defense he has is it didn't happen as opposed to giving it a more it happened and here's an innocent defense of it.ha >> republicans it seems, mimi, hit back on two major area

attorney, joyce vance, and former assistant director for counter-intelligence at the fbi frank figliuzzi, and heidi and tim o'brien are back. >> and peter, pete baker, let me start with you. take us through sort of the state of donald trump's acceptance of his new reality. i'm told today, that he maintains privately and publicly that that call, that the white house lawyers thought was so potentially problematic for him, that they locked it down, inside a server, reserved for covert protected intelligence, is something that donald trump still maintains is perfect. >> yes, it is the thing, because he doesn't see it the way almost anybody else douse or a handful obviously in the republican party on the hill who agree with him, there is nothing wrong with the call but most republicans are not making that argument, most republicans are making one of two arguments, the process is bad and a democratic effort to undue an election and the other he might have said some things on there that were troubling but it might not rises to the level of an impeachable offense. very few people are saying it i

and frank figliuzzi is here. andrew, i want to start with you.nd i just want to ask you a simple question. what kind of question was marie yovanovitch? >> incredible. as a trial lawyer this is exactly what you want to call as a witness. i think the republicans were smart not to follow the president's lead and she basically spent their time -- it was really a smart strategy not to do that. but it left an enormous gap between where the president was and where the republicans were. it was basically a love fest once the questioning started. we are praising her which i think you really had to do. she was that kind of witness that you really could not attack her. >> so the democrats are trying to do in public what you and your colleagues did in private. they are trying to build a case and present it to the public and build public support for a simple assertion that the president abused his power by asking the leader of a foreign country to dirty up joe biden and reopen the settled question of who meddled in the 2016 election. what part of that story do

frank figliuzzi, we thank you for spending some time with us.hen we come back right here on "deadline: white house," what does he know and when will he talk? john bolton's lawyer says the former national security adviser knows a lot and wants a judge to effectively decide if he should testify. >>> plus, today's strategy by republicans to defend trump from impeachment offering up some fall guys. >>> and paging kevin mccarthy. critics say your sbraetion is showing. the latest attempt by the gop to ensure the public hearings beginning next week will most surely not be about the substance. >>> and the attorney general who's been awfully quiet unless his previous forceful defenses of donald trump. we'll have all those stories coming up. es coming up. ave some great new ideas that we want to present to you today. [son]: who are you talking to? [son]: that guy's scary. the first item on the list is selecting a chairman for the... for the advisory board what's this? as well as use the remaining... child care options run out. lifetime retirement income f

thursday night, phillip rucker, kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbr, and frank figliuzzi. frank, given your resume, i'd like to begin with you. what lesson have we learned this week about public servants? >> we learned that public servants career dedicated professionals have devoted their lives to representing the people of america and the constitution. and when they see something that counters that oath that they took, they act on it. and dr. fiona hill is probably one of the most amazing examples that i've seen certainly in the hearings. but they've come one after another, and it's a stark contrast, brian, between those professionals and the partisanship that we've seen and the gop members who simply are throwing out deflection, disinformation, and distraction. because they simply don't have the facts that those professionals have on their side. >> kim atkins is a journalist by trade and a lawyer in her spare time. so kim, i note this. 35 hours of testimony. 12 witnesses. as i said a minute ago, it's okay for us to say now the facts, the central facts of this story are

i'm joined now by phone by former fbi system director for counterintelligence frank figliuzzi. frank, we know again that the atf is on the scene. it would seem as if the shooter is out there. in addition to conducting the systematic search of the school, what else are law enforcement officials doing on the round? >> right now this is really about containment of an ongoing threat. what they're trying to do is pinpoint the last known location and tips they're getting and create a perimeter as much as they can so they can contain the search, contain the damage that might be done. it's a very difficult situation. this is all hands on deck. we hear atf is on the ground. i can tell you that having been through some of this previously in my career, it doesn't matter what badge you have or what agency you belong to, you are reporting now to the area and you're trying your best to get a command structure going and get resources going and stop the damage. you've got life-threatening injuries perhaps. you're making sure you've identified victims and getting them to safety as well. >> justi