frank figliuzzi, let's turn to this new mexico situation, this guy arrested. out to you in this case? because it is scary. >> there are two things. one is, this was an inevitable outcome of five years of ingraining people with the notion that if you don't like the outcome of the election, just claim it is rigged and refused to concede, so we have actually now had a candidate act out violently, even pay others to shoot into the homes of democrat officials in his county because he lost by 50%. he lost. but refused to accept it. so, inevitable outcome, we have seen this coming, it's radicalization. the other thing, stephanie is, make no doubt about, it what happened in new mexico is domestic terrorism. it matches precisely the legal definition that we have a of domestic terrorism. it's the use or threatened use of force to influence or intimidate or coerce a government or civilian population for political purposes. so, we can define it. but guess what? we don't have a federal law yet against what this guy did, against domestic terrorism. so you are seeing state c

because the question, is frank figliuzzi, what do we want? we don't want people to speed. we don't want people to die for speeding. like, we don't want people to blow a stop sign -- we don't want to die if you are blowing a stop sign. what people say they want from police is that when a mass shooter comes in a fourth grade classroom, they run in there with their assault weapons and stop the mass shooter. that does not happen. what ends up happening is, somebody with a taillight out ends up dead in the middle of the street because they happen to be a black guy with a taillight out out. and no matter how police -- look, i have friends who are police. my father was a retired police officer. police are being told that what we want is for them to stop that person who is five miles over the speed limit by any means necessary, and if they get out of the car and chase them down and do whatever you want -- that is what they are doing. at they are doing. frank? >> tim has been eloquent and right on the money with much of his comments. i'm going to take it even a step further, backwa

frank figliuzzi is back with us as well. take us through the reporting. >> right. so charles mcgonigal has been under investigation for several years now. there were some of us that anticipated this indictment coming sooner, and -- >> how long have you known about it? what does that mean? >> that he was under investigation, was reported by business insider i want to say six to seven months ak, and there was some stuff swirling around then that he was under investigation. i think there was some initial thought that the investigation into deripaska's activities in the u.s. led to a broader investigation, which is tied to those payments that you referenced before to a former albanian intelligence official and foreign official in that perhaps the charges would not involve deripaska. obviously, that's very different today. >> right. >> and the reporting is essentially it is legal -- folks in d.c. have a problem with this, but it is legal if you were an attorney to get paid by one of these oligarchs to represent them. you could be paid as an investigator for one of those

so, brittany packnett, -- cunningham, frank figliuzzi, tim alexander. -- that is tonight's reidout. i'm going to turn things over to my pal and colleague. chris hayes. hey, chris. >> a, joy -- -- and at this hour, the country is grappling with the release of some video, with, i guess you would call it an encounter, that resulted in the death of a 29-year-old black man. -- it's on january 7th. that evening, around 8:30, memphis police officers stopped tyre nichols because, they say -- an emphasis on they say -- we still don't know, when where the other. they suspected him of reckless driving. today, the memphis chief of police told nbc news that the department is still unable to find evidence as to why the officers stopped tyre nichols that evening. in an initial statement when this happened, memphis police claim that, quote, a confrontation occurred -- notice the passive language -- between officers and nichols and nichols ran away on foot. they said that there was, quote, another confrontation when officers apprehended and arrested nichols, and that they called an absence after he

now, msnbc national security analyst, former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence, frank figliuzzis code of excellence. frank, i bring you in with all of that as a backdrop to the fact that we have this seditious conspiracy trial for five members of the proud boys beginning this past week. your thoughts and how this case compares to the one we already saw against the oath keepers? and how it factors in, in a moment where you have that level of vitriol, of violence, being directed at lawmakers? >> well, alicia, you are right, and not treating these a separate and distinct issues. we are looking at what could be a protracted seditious conspiracy trial of the proud boys and their leadership, which we all need to attend into, and stay updated on. but it's the backdrop, or actually, the forefront of what we've got going on in the house, which is that we have a speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, who so far, in just his first week in office, seems to be aiding and abetting the notion that it is time to overturn the government. why do i say that? well, the first clip that you just playe

i want to ask our friend frank figliuzzi to join us. and i want to ask frank a couple things.merrick garland that angry and that passionate. and two, exactly how this plot was foiled. so that's on the other side of a break. don't go anywhere. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. now, skyrizi helps me get going by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after two starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi, 90% clearer skin and less joint pain is possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. with skyrizi, there's nothing like the feeling of improving my skin and joints... ...and that means everything. now's the time to talk to your doctor about how skyrizi can help treat your psoriatic arth

also frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. eddie is back. eddie glaude and michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson joins us. i want to start with you, madam secretary. you've been so frank about the threats that you and your family have faced and there was just something reminiscent. i know the january 6 select committee played the footage of the rioters outside of your home. i know you testified to being inside with your young child. one of the shootings in new mexico involved a real bullet that went into the real bedroom of a real 10-year-old. what was this news like for you to process? >> it was chilling, and it was all too familiar. it really underscores how this status quo is unsustainable and unacceptable. we should not and we need to stop being surprised when violent threats and this hateful rhetoric transcends into hateful actions. it has happened over and over and over again as a direct extension of the lies and falsehoods that many intentionally and knowingly spread about our elections and our democracy. this is not who we are, i

we're back with frank figliuzzi, mara gay, a more esteemed panel, i cannot imagine.rywhere that it matters, but wonder, first, your thoughts on the sentence and then her message? >> it's a pretty long sentence. so the average assault without these complicating factors would have been more like four years. the united states wanted 98. judge hogan went much more for the prosecution. it's again, this case is complicated, because a coroner ruled that he dies of natural causes, although it's quite clear that the pepper spray brings on all of these things. that's going to also complicate the civil trial. but i think like this day is about with what we've -- with pelosi and we're going to talk about tyre nichols and this is just -- there's such ugliness on display. but he's become, because of the death and the lack of remorse from cater, who was sentenced to 80 months, somebody who his colleagues have really rallied behind. and for them and what they were seeking, it's basically a vindication. it's a long sentence and it -- you know, it puts the blame for basically his deat

. >> yesterday, when i was asking frank figliuzzi about the fact that these informants were going toy actually had access to, the conversations they were having, which channels they were on. i agree, that piece of evidence is fascinating. i'm also fascinated by the fact that they have different lawyers and those lawyers have different strategies for how they plan to defend their clients. any insights into that decision? >> each of these five defendants have their own team. so it's been an array of arguments. one of their lawyers argued that they are scapegoats. another lawyer argued that this was not an insurrection or an attack at all, this was a six-hour inconvenience for congress. and that lawyer is not doing very good. another lawyer, chairman of the proud boys, his lawyer argued that it wasn't my client that sent people down there, that incited them to come to d.c., and then wouldn't stop the violence. that was trump. that argument has played out in a number of january 6th trials. it has not done well so far for other defendants. i can't imagine it will do well here, but they ar

frank figliuzzi is here, former assistant director for counterintelligence, now an msnbc analyst.t you write and of your concerns. >> well, i first want to say, you know, i was pleased to be able to co-write this with jacob glick, who worked as an investigative counsel for the house select committee. he was able to isolate and pull salient examples from the house committee's support and the underlying documents in support of that that showed the entanglement with paramilitary organizations, extremist paramilitary organizations like the oathkeepers, like the proud boys, like the three percenters, their entanglement with people quite close to president trump, including roger stone, including robert weaver, a failed trump appointee, including the overstock.com ceo, patrick burn, who was part of the efforts all the way up to the very end to try to overturn the election along and urging president trump to use every method possible to do that. so, you know, we wanted to highlight that for the american public, pull from the report things that people might not have the chance to read and

frank figliuzzi made the point in the last hour -- i actually went back and looked at alito's commentser our partisan divisions, take any public official who is concerned about an assassination attempt very seriously. i wonder if it can be true that there was a fear of assassination attempt and also true that this leak that led to the threat of assassination did not result in a referral to the fbi to investigate. >> that should have been the handoff right there to investigators who are able to dig through forensic and other details and to try to figure out what happened. merely signing an affidavit -- if you are a liar and you sign the affidavit and you are still lying if nobody does anything to test the truth or veracity of the statement you have made. look, the report is, i think, 20 pages. it's not very long or very detailed. we don't even know, for example, whether the justices themselves were interviewed. we don't know whether past clerks were interviewed. it talks about interviewing 97 employees. the standard for disclosure of information is different for employees. we are not su