he's pretty much acknowledged that he's lost. >> we're back with tim heaphy, glenn thrush and frank figliuzzilinded you by the end of the committee's work was the volume of evidence developed by the people closest to donald trump that donald trump knew he had lost the evidence. there's recent reporting that suggests a radicalization process of the company, the pillow person and the overstock person and sidney powell as he got closer to jigts. there's a copious amount of testimony and taped depositions. you can only imagine jack smith was able to find more evidence that trump knew he lost. that seems to only enhance his criminal exposure and whatever is coming from jack smith. >> no question the jury is going to hear what you just played and hear much more likely about this. i still remind folks, really something important here. a fervent belief in something does not equal a reasonable belief in something, nor does it give you license to commit a crime around your per vent belief. the jury is going to sit there, evaluate the evidence. they'll see what i call charles tan attorneys and advisers

i want to bring in frank figliuzzi, katie is a legal contributor. and charles coleman is back. now you have say potential indictment, did alleen cannon have to look and decide what she has to decide which is the argument that trump is makes that it makes for an unfair election if the trial has to start before the actual election? >> you know, chris, there's that saying, crazy like a fox. i think that just mightal ply to donald trump. i believe that timing is everything. i think the reason that donald trump waited in this morning to drop that truth social post because as you just said, aileen cannon slg currently presiding over a hearing. if you're trump's defense counsel as they set forth in the opposition to the doj's consideration for a trial date, all of the considerations include the pending trial dates that the defense has. but judge cannon is first in line, first in time. meaning she could set the trial per the doj's request in december 11th, 2023. or she could sit there and set it even sooner. recall, chris, she said the trial date in august. this is a motion for continu

also joining us, an msnbc national security analyst frank figliuzzi. >> you know, we've become accustomed to this, and it's ratcheting up. i think my overriding thought is we now have a political party -- i'm not even sure it's a political party anymore -- that owns this. this is theirs. this is no longer just donald trump inciting people to do domestic terrorism. it's an entire party that seems to refuse to press it down, suppress it, call it out and say we actually distinguish ourselves from that. that's the problem. the more leaders involved in encouraging this and remaining silent, the more leaders who say, you know, all of this is rigged, all the cases against trump are rigged, all the prosecutors everywhere, state, local, county, federal, they're all part of a deep state, all working together -- which by the way drives me crazy. he's actually made comments, the manhattan d.a.'s office is staffed by the u.s. department of justice. i have no idea what he's talking about. he said the same thing about fulton county, the strings are being pulled by the

. >> frank figliuzzi, i think just doing your job for a government salary, that is nothing ostentatiouso need security and protection, perhaps indefinitely. >> i don't want to hear much from far right extremists about how much it is costing to save democracy from shn who seems intent on destroying it. when $2 million of the $9 million we're talking about so far, is protecting people against the threat and risk of the people under investigation are generating. this is a self-generated security and threat risk from the people who are under investigation. so, if you break down the $9 million as glenn is telling us and he's telling us that half of it, $4.5 million, is career professionals at doj and fbi, that were going to get paid no matter what they are working. there's half. almost $2 million in security. that gets us to $6.5 million. the remainder is what office space rental in washington, d.c., to me, i'll take that price tag for the price of defending democracy against people who want to dismantle it. >> and want to dismantle it as a campaign message. this is someone running for presi

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kurt, i am thinking about what frank figliuzzi brought up that under the trump administration republicanmakers were not interested in investigating then president trump's family business dealings or jared kushner's dealings and possible conflicts of interest. given the recent development and what we're seeing playing out there on the hill, what do you make of this apparent hypocrisy? >> yeah, it's pretty glaring. it just underscores and illustrates how this is purely political and not evidentiary or fact-based in any way. hunter biden never worked in the west wing. he's not part of the inner workings of the white house at any time in the same way that jared kushner or ivanka trump were. when you look at even just the financial resources that the trump family has been the beneficiary of from questionable sources and questions about how they arranged those financial dealings, it completely dwarves anything compared to hunter biden. so the fact that they're willing to look the other way while donald trump's family has done that which they are accusing hunter biden of doing just tells everyo

. >> joining me now, ali vitali and frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. ali, you have been watching this all morning. take us through the highlights and low lights of what's been a contentious hearing so far. >> reporter: no surprise to anyone of us that there were some fireworks, including that exchange just now with congressman matt gaetz and the fbi director. we have seen gaetz be one of the republican members to bring up hunter biden. there have been a myriad of other issues that have been brought up during the course of the questions over the last two or so hours. everything from culture wars in schools to questions about january 6. i have to say that we have seen republicans really mobilize and ramp up their criticism of the fbi over the course of the last few months since we have seen the escalation in legal troubles for donald trump, especially at the federal level. trump himself -- you know this well -- is the person who did begin trumpeting the anti-fbi and law enforcement lines when he was still in the white house. it's something that his part

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. >> so it's more framing, neal, because i can have the mind set that frank figliuzzi has said this onh nicolle, i can have a mind set the bank cheated me, but that doesn't mean i can rob the bank. so it's like it kind of matters and kind of doesn't matter. how do you think it could be used if in fact he was saying the election had great integrity, we should do a press conference, and wait, the election was stolen? >> i think that's partially right. first, i think the big news of this week is it's becoming increasingly clear that donald trump is going to double his current number of indictments from two to four with a jack smith indictment for january 6th and an indictment for georgia, that's the way it looks. why do i say that? it's because of my answer to your question. i think all of this evidence that is being introduced by jack smith, including the february 2020 meetings and trump's views on it, all go to a key thing in the criminal law, which is what we call mens rea, or criminal intent. that's the essence of criminal law, which makes it different from anything else. like if you'

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attorney barbara mcquade, former assistant fbi director frank figliuzzi and boston globe columnist kimberlyho is also an attorney. tom, talk us through what happened in court. your reporting yesterday was spot on and terrific. up to the minute, but of course, it's a closed courtroom. no electronics allowed. we were getting the information through a wonderful series of reporting from inside but not through any electronic means. then you summed it all up just incredibly quickly. thank you. >> that's right. we were all but doing smoke signals and hand signals yesterday. we did the flash cards that we were handing to interns and shuttling those notes in and out of the court and being quarterbacked by my colleague. yesterday was not at all what we expected. it was clear from early on in that hearing that, in fact, the judge had some pretty serious questions as far as how that was all going to proceed yesterday. i think the key thing is she felt like on one hand she was asked not to participate in basically approving and questioning the plea agreement that was being offered on the misdemeanor tax