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and frank figliuzzi so well laid this out is far as motivation as far as the types of evidence. can they prove that he took this fake gun over state lines, possible federal issues? there all sorts of a wide, varied amount of evidence that they will look at to try and determine which way they go with charges. the shooting happened in new york city, specifically in manhattan. so it goes to the manhattan da's office that will be prosecuted by alvin bragg, who's been, of course, in the news the last several years for his prosecutions involving former president trump. but as far as this case, this is the type of homicide, even though it's gotten the amount of attention, it's gotten the type of homicide that the manhattan da's office prosecutes day in and day out. and there's frequently evidence that comes from all over the countryhat is presented to those prosecutors, those adas, and they bring those cases. so from that standpoint, it's not overly unique. certainly the amount of attention to this case is unique, just given the nature of the crime and the nature of what occurred here.

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. >> joining us now nbc's kathy park in madison, wisconsin and frank figliuzzi, an msnbc national security analyst. kathy what is the situation of those who were injured in this shooting? >> reporter: jose, good morning to you. certainly another tragic day for another american city. as far as the victims go, we know the death toll still stands at two, among the dead includes a teenage student as well as a teacher, six others were injured. two students are still fighting for their lives in critical condition. but we do know that two were released overnight. we don't have their -- the names of the victims, but we anticipate learning more about them today when officials offer up another press conference. jose? >> and kathy, meanwhile, do we have any update on what the investigation is looking like at this hour? >> reporter: so, jose, as you mentioned, this is a small private christian school, k through 12. and they have about 420 students. and they were just days away from christmas break being released for christmas break and now as you can see behind me, this is an active crime scene. the s

i'm going to bring in now, frank figliuzzi, msnbc national security analyst, counterintelligence at the fbi, and author of two books, long- haul: hunting the highway serial killers, and the fbi way, inside the bureau's code of excellence. frank, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. in relation to her second book, your reaction to christopher wray announcing that he would resign, rather than stay in place and be fired by donald trump. >> i do share some of ruth's concerns here. this is kind of complying in advance, and it troubles me greatly. we should let trump fire christopher wray, and break, yet, another norm, and become depressed -- the first president in history to fire two fbi directors. james comey, during his first term. i am not buying into wray stated reasoning. the bureau has been through a lot of grief at the hands of donald trump. i can't imagine a month more of it would hurt the morale of the agency any more than it already is. yes, trump would have to gin up some reason to fire wray, put it in writing and tweet it all over the place, but so what? the 10 ye

legal defense that they might find it some sort of emotional or moral defense. >> berit berger, frank figliuzzi, thank you for offering your expertise. >>> tens of thousands impacted by a fast moving wildfire in southern california, including some celebrities. >>> plus, capitol hill grilling, the hearing expected to start any minute with secretary of state blinken over the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. >>> also, senate hardball, how trump world is turning the screws on skeptics of his administration picks. >>> and another pro athlete experiencing a home break-in. is it connected to the others? we're back in 90 seconds. we're s molly leaving was one thing. but then i thought mom's osteoporosis might keep us stuck on the couch. no way. ♪♪ if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis, and are at high risk for fracture, you can do more than just slow bone loss. you can build new bone in 12 months with evenity®. evenity® is proven to significantly reduce spine fracture risk. she said the evenity® she's taking builds new bone. builds new bone! evenity® can increase risk of heart attack, stroke, or dea

. >> joining us now, nbc's ken dilanian and ryan nobles, also with us, frank figliuzzi, former assistantector for counter intelligence at asthe fbi. a ken, good morning. what are you learning about what was behind this decision? >> good morning, jose. chris wray said it pretty explicitly, he said it was the best thing for the bureau to keep the bureau out of the political fray, heand to unpack that a little more.a al debate the people surrounding chris essentially force donald trump to fire him. before serving his full ten-year term by donald trump. and that's only hitwas for cause. one side was advising wray he should do that.ay people are still saying that. in the end, event for the fbi.t donald trump would say a lot of nasty things about chris wray and the bureau and firing chris wray. i amean, he's saying mean thin about chris wray as it is. less so. it's not as high profile. and so at the end of the day, chris wray decided that the better course was to agree to resign and clear the way for donald trump's achoice to be t next fbi director. >> yeah, i mean, when wray steps down on the

. >> frank figliuzzi, thank you very much. >>> breaking news on donald trump's legal battle.and anchor george stephanopoulos have agreed to an apologize and donation to trump's presidential library. he said in an interview that a jury found trump quote liable for rape. in a lawsuit brought by carroll. they actually found him liable for sexual abuse. they must pay his lawyer's legal fees. the settlement allows both of them not to sit for depositions scheduled next week. >>> trump backs away from a campaign promise he made repeatedly, bringing down grocery prices. i'll discuss with ruth and another guest after the break. >>> social media praise and polarized reaction to the murder of a health care executive. a jet-packed hour on "the saturday show" still ahead on msnbc. saturday show" still ahead on msnbc. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) you know what you don't see in psoriasis commercials? the thousands of real people who go undiagnosed. people whose psoriasis can look very di

. >> frank figliuzzi, is there any palpable difference standing on a principle at the time they havewerful ecosystem on the right? >> first i think would be more significant and powerful if chris wray stayed on and caused trump to fire him. with regard to trying to protect the fbi from getting caught up once again and having trump whistle about the bureau as he fires chris wray, there is nothing we haven't heard. nothing. go ahead, blast away for another month. go right arm ahead. i don't see it. that's not resonating with me. i can confirm what carol said. during the trump term wray came into the office every darn day and wondered if he was getting fired and he was overly concerned about getting fired. so what? you've got a lot of money from your life in the private sector. it's not like you will fill out a job application where it says have you ever been fired from a job? he doesn't need the job, right? he's got this sensitivity about being fired and i'm not seeing the connectivity to protecting the men and women from the bureau. if anything, it would have empowered the men and wom

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now, someone who do does have many years in law enforcement is frank figliuzzi, the former assistant agent. now nbc national security analyst. frank, you worry patel will not be able to pass the fbi background check to become the director of the fbi. yeah. i mean, aside from his total lack of qualifications for the job, other than apparently blind allegiance to donald trump, if he is actually submitted for an fbi background check, he's going to face some problems around honesty and veracity, particularly the fact that doj had to grant kash patel criminal immunity in order for him to talk freely about his role in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. he's also been accused of lying when he was an assistant at the pentagon in in the middle of a navy seal team six operation that could have jeopardized the operation and the life of a hostage. and then, of course, there's general concerns about his language so far, about his intentions to use the fbi to pursue the media, investigators and prosecutors. so lots of concerns in this nomination process. i think a lot of people also were we

. >> former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi, frank figliuzzi.bviously, the key question for a lot of people is a very simple one in every mass shooting and it is why? it's a question that doesn't change the equation. it doesn't bring the people back who have been killed. it doesn't stop the psychological trauma that we've been talking about. but it is a piece of a puzzle that hopefully other schools, other places build on as we have been building on them for so many decades now to try to figure out is there a way, as evy was touching on, can we present this in the future. what are the questions you have in this early hour after this happened, frank? >> well, we don't know the age of the shooter slash student, and it appears to be a juvenile, and it appears to be a student. but we know this, wisconsin has a law that says you cannot leave a loaded gun unsecured around a child of under age 14. we don't know this person's able, but we'll find out. that leads us to the question of the parents being charged, whiz is a trend now. virginia, michigan, an

joining me now is frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence.come, my friend. how does law enforcement even begin to prepare for a big night like tonight? >> well, in new york city, of course, they may be the best, alongside washington, d.c. and that law enforcement community, at major event security. they have got this, and you heard all the recited techniques that are going to be in play in new york city. and perhaps we'll see the largest deployment of law enforcement drones tonight, as nypd puts up even more drones than they have ever had before, which by the way, creates kind of a traffic issue when you're talking about midtown, when you're talking about skyscrapers and all of that. that's no easy task. undercover officers, they have secured all of the manhole covers and mail boxes have been moved or secured. they have got it covered. in fact, some of the same techniques, facial recognition, 20,000 cameras throughout new york city that are in place every day. that was just used a few weeks ago as they attempted to search for the unknown shoo

former assistant director of counterintelligence at fbi, msnbc national security analyst frank figliuzzinnan center, james sample is here. former acting assistant general for national security at the justice department, msnbc legal analyst mary mccord is here. mary, i want to start with you because kash patel's rise in trump world is really on the back of trump's fear and anger about his campaign being scrutinized initially for either wittingly or unwittingly being -- working in concert with the russians, collusion not an actual crime he was investigated for but whether his campaign and russia having a shared mission of his election 2016 was a national security risk and whether crimes were committed. that was sort of the origin story of trump's retribution, which would shape his entire presidency, his four years in exile and his entire campaign for reelection. it seems like a price has been paid by the men and women of the fbi and the department of justice that hasn't been paid as of yet by anyone else, for eight years of being smeared as part of a deep state. what is morale like inside

and msnbc national security analyst frank figliuzzi is here.i start with you. we had a lot of conversations about tulsi gabbard. i asked malcolm, turnbull and others, about how tulsi gabbard would change the way other countries traditional allies would deal with us. what is striking about tulsi gabbard's nomination is that there has been no explanation for it by anybody. no one out there sort of knocking back any of what we just played, any of those clips that she constantly and inexplicably parrots propaganda. do you with your contacts and experience have any idea why she's been tapped for this post? >> i think it is straightforward. donald trump who is following basically the authoritarian's playbook, you want to control the instruments of power. which include the intelligence community, security services, law enforcement, as well as try to do everything possible to control the media and so having somebody like a tulsi gabbard as director of national intelligence as someone who is malable in his hands, and really just, you know, demonstrates